I don't know whether is ask or not, but I saw youtube video where the Queen snubs Camilla during the Royal Wedding. This makes wonder whether she likes her or not?
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The Q Mother did not forbid Charles marrying Camilla, SHe has no power to do so. Because she disliked the idea of the marriage, out of love for his grandmother Charles waited till after her death to marry.
And as for your last point, does the fact that people have made bad mistakes, mean that for the rest of their lives, they are to be dismissed? Many many people have had bad marriages, and divorces, some more than 1. Are tehy all to be called "damaged goods".
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I can't see this. If the queen had made such a promise, then she would still be breaking it by allowing Charles permission to marry in HEr lifetime. And Im sure she woudl not make such a promise and break it. I think that Charles wouldnt remarry during his grandmother's lifetime because he knew it would upset her, but he wanted to remarry and the queen while not liking the idea, was aware that the people were by now indifferent about the issue and to sort things out, it was the best solution.
And Im not sure why you feel this one broken marriage is "the one that cannot be forgiven". There are many many people who have behaved far worse to their wives, and then split iwth them and remarried. I dont see why Charles seems to be the one person who cannot be forgiven for his mistakes and bad behaviour.
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It was hardly C's fault that Diana was poorly prepared for adulthood, and while I agree that yes C can be spoiled adn selfish, he's certainly not "more honourable" than the D of Windsor, who deserted his country during the war, hoped for a German victory, gave up on royal duties when he became king.. the list could go on. He has his faults (Charles) but he has done his job, worked for charities, etc for many years. He problaby tried ot make his marriage work for a bit but it was a marriage that was pretty much doomed to fail due to many factors, the age gap, Diana's immaturity and lack of education/life experience and their differing interests plus Di's bulimia. Most UK people while they sympathised with Di for a time, seem to have fairly soon reached a conclusion that the failed marriage was in the past, and by the time C married Camilla, they didnt really care and were quite willing to say "well he had his bad times but it is all in the past and he's moved on, why not?"
I would say that while the queen may have disapproved of Charles' affair and Camilla's going along with it, on a personal level she and Cam have more in common than she did with Diana. They are both horsey, country loving women, while Diana wasn't into that sort of thing. And as I've said, certianly by teh 90s, whle the Queen still tried to keep the public face of C's marriage going, she was pretty much fed up with Diana and while she problaby felt sorry for her still, did not get on with her at all.....
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Or could it be that he had to marry a girl much younger than him, because he had to choose an aristocratic girl with no past experience, and reasoned that such a girl was bound to be also naive and not know very much, but that she woudl learn? And that Diana gave a good performance of being interested in all the things he was interested in - watching him fishing and shooting etc so he thought that while she was somewhat unformed, she would develop inot a good partner for him and was very pretty and sweet and the public seemed to love her so she was the ideal wife for him.
I dont believe that he thougt of continuing his relationship with Cam except as a friend but when it was clear that he and Diana had little in common and that they were getting on so badly, which I think was clear from very early on, he problaby did think of renewing the affair.
As for the queen I doubt if she thinks of Camilla as a "wicked woman". She may think of her as selfish at times and disapprove of her affair with Charles but she's hardly going to blame her entriely for the failure of C's marriage, when I think that hindsight shows it was a marriage that was doomed from the start.
I think that with Diana, she liked her at first and thought she was a sweet naive girl who was a perfect addition to the RF, but grew to dislike her.
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I can't see the queen routinely referring to Cam as "wicked woman" or indeed saying anything about her that would get out ot hte public. Possibly the Queen Mother might have spoken in such a way. As for Diana, She seems to have given up her enthusiasms for watching and participating in Charles' country sports fairly soon after tehy married. and reports from people who worked iwth Diana suggest that while she was conscious of her educational deficiencies, she was touchy about suggestions that she should learn more...
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I dont beleive that the queen is a grudge carrier. She's a sensible practical unimaginative and unemotional woman, all reports of her seem to agree on that.. She's had a long life and people usually learn over the course of a long life that bearing grudges and not being able to "move on" is foolish. I could refer to quotes from books that say that she was very fed up with Diana, too.. I'd have to look them up but I can certainly remember one where she said that she didn't want Diana visiting, because she found her too exhausting.. And she's said to have said about Di and Fergie "you take in 2 girls from broken homes and this is how they repay you".
Does that mean that she had a terrible animus against Diana and Fergie as well and that she carries a grudge against them?
I certianly dont beleive she'd say anything to servants.. Possibly soem of the remarks that reach books and newspapers are from people who knwo the royals and have been indiscreet, but I dont beleive that teh queen would say anyting "dramatic" to anyone outside her own family whom she can trust. There may be times when she has yelled and kicked hte walls and said nasty things about people who have annoyed her but she's not going to do that in front of anyone who might talk.
I find it hard to believe that (even if she felt it) she'd say anything dramatic like "wicked" but I coudl imagine the queen mother saying that. All the books I've read of the queen show her as being a calm not very dramatic person, who finds it hard to be emotional and who usually keeps her feelings hidden and bottled up. During the crisis years of the early 90s, there are reports that she woudl walk her dogs and bring them in, wash and dry them and take them out again, because that was her outlet when she was upset or angry... not talking to people. Certainly she has disapproved of things that Charles and Cam have done but they weren't the only ones. And while she may not have been happy about the divorce and remarriage, I think that over time, provided Cam is doing her job, she's gotten over the earlier disapproval and is Ok with her. Her speech at C's wedding didnt seem to indicate severe but repressed disapproval with its jokes about racing.
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“A senior royal aide confided that . . .”
“An equerry close to the Queen reported . . .”
“It was officially reported that . . .”
“Newspaper reports at the time . . .”
“According to reports . . .”
All British tabloid-speak for "We made it up"
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We're not, unfortunately. - Although there are some papers that are more truthful than others.
This site helps: - http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:0 0:00Z&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=44
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True there's a lot of "making up" but all the same the stories about the RF aren't all made up. Royal aides do talk, at times, though they shouldn't. People "close to the RF" also talk at times, if they feel it will benefit their royal friend. But of course they will rarely agree to be quoted by name. But while I think one can get an idea of how the queen is feeling about various subjects, from general reading, and using one's critical faculties, I dont think she'd say anything extreme about her family to people who might let it out. She may have had moments when she kicked the wall about Charles and Camilla, but she's not going to do that in front of people who woudl let it out. And from her wedding speech about Charles, I got a vibe that she was while not thrilled about the civil marriage etc pleased that he had finally settled into a marriage that made him happy. Had she not felt like that, she coudl have just made an anodyne speech about being pleased that he was now married...
Certianly she disapproved of his affair and the divorce, but in the end, she's his mother. She wants him to be happy and if it wasnt going to affect the monarchy, adversley, I think she was pleased enough about the marriage to Camilla.
Birugirl, I should say that like most "in law" relationships, the queen and Cam have had their ups and downs and she disapproved of soem of her actions. But I didn't see any snub at W's wedding.. and I dont believe that the queen woudl be guilty of such bad manners as to snub a family member in public.
If it comes to that, in the latter years of Diana's marriage, the queen was pretty much fed up with her and found her almost impossible to get on with.
Well, here is a video of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDgVToN3qvI
"Did you think that I would harm her?"-The Phantom
IIRC Camila went to kiss the queen without curtsying first and the queen drew back a little to remind her to curtsy... Without hearing the dialogue its impossible to know what happened. IIRC after she had greeted Charles the queen did kiss Camilla, or it might be that their hats got in the way. I doubt if she would deliberately snub her daughter in law in public... It woudl be bad manners and cause gossip. After the scandal of the MOrton book IIRC Diana was in the royal carriage at Ascot but I believe that later on when the racing was going on, nobody spoke to her much, beucase the queen was furious about the book. but they kept appearances up in public.
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shareThe Queen's character is a great deal more like Camilla than it was like Diana. Very English, outdoorsy and imperious - all this fake Diana photo ops stuff was as repulsive as the mound of flowers rotting in their plastic wrap heaped at the palace gates for Diana.
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