What happend to Nick Cureen? - Basic Instinct 2 (2006) Discussion

[–] jabortes 18 years ago

He´s dead. I´t was clearly deduced at the ending of the first. Hannibal Lecter can love forever someone, but Catherine Tramell not.

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[–] gypsy-boy81 18 years ago

yes , she`s so eviel, I hop to made precual to see who she starts.

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[–] the_darkness_of_poetic_humor 18 years ago

Yeah the ending of Basic Instinct was pretty self explanatory!!!

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[–] ManWithoutFriends 18 years ago

im sure she mentions at one point that he 'died'.

"they should give nicole kidman an oscar for being able to show any emotion after THAT much botox".

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[–] terramax02 18 years ago

It was never deduced in the original that she killed him. In fact, the end of the first pretty much self explains she didn't kill him because he accepted her wishes:

"I hate rugrats"
*beep* like minxes, forget the rugrats, live happily ever after"

The likely reason why Gus and Bet die was a sacrefic to prevent Nick's death. Like she says towards the end of the first "someone has to die".

Secondly, even if she did kill Nick, she would not need to go to Europe for it. She's too devious to get caught. She got away with all the other murders. He would have died in an accident.

The London setting was probably for budget reasons. And probably because in America it seems to be cool to include British actors in any excuse (because HEY! No film is a good film without a British actor!).

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[–] jabortes 17 years ago

Yes, his death was probably deduced. There are many clues, even the music of the last scene suggests menace, when the ice pick is showed (Jerry Goldsmith said in the audio comments that there were two options for that scene, happy music or menacing music, and... guess what option was chosen changing the sense of the ending). This music exactly doesn´t sound to "Love Story".
Also, if you stop to think, you can see that three seconds before the movie finishes, she´s innocent, so he´s safe, and will live happily forever, having sex with a gorgeous creature, but when the movie finishes, and we see the ice pick, everything changes: she´s guilty, mad, a monster, a devil with angel face, and our poor hero is in a real danger. She´ll kill him exactly in the moment when she´s tired of him.
This is "Basic Instinct", a cruel and dark movie with a mad and sexy psycho killer, not "The taming of the shrew". You can´t trust on Catherine Tramell´s words because she also said "I didn´t it", so, hearing from her lips "I love you", doesn´t mean that she´s redeemed, because this isn´t also a Bond movie.
Read the wikipedia article of Catherine Tramell, because on it, there are explained very well the different ways to understand the ending.
Also, it would be useful to remember facts like if she killed her parents, Nick hadn´t too much chances to survie, or Catherine´s words, when said that "On the beginning, she didn´t loved Johnny Boz, but later, she liked what he did to her". It seems the ending of BI1, when she forgives his life during a time because she wants more sex. But he has "mysteriously" disappeared in the second.... She killed him because she kills all that she loves.

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[–] ThomWolf 17 years ago

It isn't explained in the movie BI2 what happens but there's a passage in the script which didn't make it to the screen which reveals what happened.

Dr Glass is reading Catherine's novel Shooter. At the end of the novel it's revealed that Shooter was later found with his wrists slit. I don't have the script to hand at the minute to quote exactly, but it says something like 'the cops believed Shooter commited suicide, though only him and Kelly Lash would ever really know what happened'

I thought it was a satisfying touch and tied the second film in nicely with the first. There's a lot of nice stuff in the script that Caton-Jones chose not to include in the finished film. Fool.

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[–] jabortes 17 years ago

Thank you by the information.

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[–] xXNukleopatraXx 17 years ago

That's really interesting, i always assumed he was dead.

Life is a series of choices, right ? - Michelle Pfeiffer

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[–] jabortes 17 years ago

And he was dead.

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[–] ffordegroupie 12 years ago

Is it cheaper to film in England?

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[–] Mr_Ghostface_Lives 17 years ago

I don't know what most of the people on this thread are thinking, just because of the ice pick under the bed at the end of the first movie(!). Anyone stupid enough to think Catherine would ruin the entire web she had just spun, successfully pinning the murders on Beth, by killing Nick just days later... then they just missed everything about this character and her games.

There are two very big reasons in Basic Instinct 2, also, to believe Nick is alive.

1) Catherine tells Dr Glass about what they used to do, driving to murder scenes and then having sex. We have no reason to believe this isn't true.

2) Dr Glass calls Phil Walker, the detective played by Denis Arndt in the first movie, and he tells Michael that he believes Catherine "killed Johnny Boz and two police officers". Those two are Marty Nilsen and Gus, NOT Nick Curran.

Surely if Nick had died under mysterious circumstances it would have been mentioned. If he was dead, it's highly unlikely it wouldn't have been mentioned at all. If Nick was dead, they would have said so. Until it's proven, he's still alive, and as I've pointed out, there's more than enough evidence to support it.

"Never underestimate the power of denial."
American Beauty

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[–] jabortes 17 years ago

Answering your phrase "2) Dr Glass calls Phil Walker, the detective played by Denis Arndt in the first movie, and he tells Michael that he believes Catherine "killed Johnny Boz and two police officers". Those two are Marty Nilsen and Gus, NOT Nick Curran.", before the first film finishes, the case is closed. So, if she killed him, it was after the case, and using a way to avoid any relation to it. So, Nick stills dead, even despite of your deduction. He would have been a victim in th original case, only if Catherine possesses a time machine, like Doctor Doom.
She killed him between the first movie and the second. There are too many clues, and even Sharon Stone said it(and I saw her with my own eyes telling it when she came to Madrid and was interviewed).
Also think this: Why the doctor phoned to Walker and not to Curran, who was the person that knew more about the case? Because Nick was dead. Simple.

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[–] Mr_Ghostface_Lives 17 years ago

Your logic is stupid... if she killed Nick it was after the first case is closed so it avoids being related to it? Are you serious? As IF no-body in the police department, Phil Walker being the obvious one to mention, wouldn't find Nick's death suspicious.

You say there are too many clues. Name them. List all the clues that prove or even suggest logically that Nick is dead.

And why did Michael Glass phone Phil Walker? Because he's the one who is accusing Catherine of being a murderer!

Your argument makes absolutely no sense, and as much as you want to believe Nick Curran is dead, there is absolutely NO proof that he is, and plenty of evidence that he is alive.

Try again.

"Never underestimate the power of denial."
American Beauty

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[–] jabortes 17 years ago

Why do you seem so hysteric?
I won´t waste time talking about a bad movie, but I would suggest you to visit the "real world", outside Internet: everybody interested in the theme seems to think that the character was killed. Talk to people. The producers said also it, Joe Esterzhas said it, even Sharon said it, and I saw her in person in Madrid saying it.... In some declarations, even Michael Douglas said that it was suggested that after the original film, his character died (and he didn´t liked the idea).
Pathetic. What do you also need? That the Pope of Rome tells it to you? If you can´t find the clues yourself, perhaps you don´t deserve to know them. Please, never be a detective.
By the way, read the original script. It tells easily everything. She killed him and showed a fake suicide.
The film is a bit ambiguous, because they, stupidly, didn´t wanted to offend nobody, but it´s also clear. If you need to hear the phrase "I killed Nick Curran", please, watch more simple movies, like "Jackass, the film".

Think what you want, but express it with more respect.

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[–] Wellis6867 16 years ago

She said the Grand Jury though Nick was killed by his girlfriend.

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[–] Iwishyouwell 15 years ago

It's one thing to be wrong, another entirely to be LOUD and wrong.

Catherine confirms in BI2 that Nick is dead, and that suggests his girlfriend was the culprit.

According to the script for Basic Instinct II, Nick is unquestionably dead.

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[–] Cheriepi2 17 years ago

I just finished watching it. I swear when she was in the jaccusi she said she killed Nick. I was suprised because all thru the film I wondered how the two films tied together.

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[–] zurichpoet 16 years ago

He runs a donut shop in Pacific Heights.

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[–] artisticengineer 16 years ago

Well, I can understand the confusion. The ending of the first movie was.....well, that would be a spoiler so I won't say. But, irregardless, Hollywood can and does change endings of movies when they are referenced in later films. Nothing unusual in a literary sense; I know Arthur C. Clarke did it on occasion as well as Anne Rice.

One plot hole in this movie (and ostensibly in the original Basic Instinct) is that the police view Catherine Tramell as a murder suspect even in murders that would take a great deal of physical strength. We see the actress portraying Catherine Tramell, in fact, we see a LOT of her as she does some nude scenes, and I just do not believe she would have the strength to pull off the murders. And, yet we are to suspend disbelief and imagine that she is a plausible suspect???

If Catherine Tramell killed Nick it would either have to be by gunshot or, most likely, by assisted suicide!!

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[–] mr-quick-1 16 years ago

The ending of the first film was just to confirm that she WAS the killer.

Nick isn't dead, their relationship ended.

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[–] lilwill1997 14 years ago

All i can say is they really were planning on brinnging Nick back they asked Michael Douglas back to do the sequel but he denied it so i think they wanted to go the ending where he would have survived but since he denied it they might have gone with that he was killed sometime after the ending.

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[–] anne_something 14 years ago

As someone already mentioned, Tremell says to Glass that she used to drive to crime scenes with Nick and then screw in the car afterwards, so she DIDNT kill him after the sex in the last scene of the first movie.

I dont think what actors say holds much water, theyre not the storyteller, theyre just a paint thats used for the painting. But if the script for BI2 really says that Nick was found dead and if the producers really said he was killed, I would like to ask for quotes to be posted

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[–] decoy000 12 years ago

I like to think, and of course it's just my own inclination, that nick acted as a sort of protege for catherine. He was into playing games like her which is why he was sucked into her 'web' in the first place, and i took her story about the driving around to murder scenes and such to indicate that he had got more twisted after the events in the first film. So I think somewhere or other nick is acting as a kind of male catherine.

Also a small point about language, the film maker doesn't 'deduce she killed him.' they 'imply she killed him.' you do the deducing.

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[–] ruffian82 12 years ago

Just watched original Instinct movie last night. After seeing his expression as the murder of Gus (a true friend and partner) is quickly, almost gleefully wrapped up; Beth framed so easily; knowing what he knows about the novel; Nick knows Catherine will be along sometime and he's just playing along. He wants to die. He can never rationalize this mess and there's not enough substances in the world to block it out. He'd love to 'nail her' in every way, he is obsessed with loving her/catching her, but at this point, he's ready for his close-up, Ms. Trammell.

That college graduation photo by the way, does not spell obsession to me, rather mixed emotions on "Lisa's" face. Orrr...it could have been an early Photoshop; that technology of replacing the face on the body has been around a long time.

In any event, Nick has 'effed' it up in so many ways.The layers of guilt are going to smother him this time. Losing all his blood - probably a relief.

Michael Douglas did do a great job of drawing one into his obsession. I was appalled and saddened as I saw all the work he'd done peeled away. Maybe Catherine was right and it was a thin glue job at best,but it was still painful to watch. Look how quickly he goes back to old habits, almost with relief.

Catherine Trammell's ego won't let her admit she's not just an excellent manipulator; she picks people who are ripe for manipulation.

Not exactly starting from scratch.

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