Why not just drill a hole in the ice like 100 yards away from the pack? then the penguins dont have to walk 70 miles to get to water and you save a ton of penguins in the process..
im probly missing some major factor but it makes sense to me
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The second mankind gets involved with nature everything gets messed up. Let nature take its course. These animals don't know anything else. And trust me, they don't need out help. We were designed that way.
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I thought almost the same thing as the original poster, but it would be like going against nature. Let life follow it's curse. That's the beauty of life.
"Hate is baggage, life's too short to be pissed off all the time".
Human solutions to animal lifestyles is just getting in the way of the more effective and intelligent life-style already taking place in nature.
shareWho says they need a "solution"?
shareIf humans were to drill a hole, or do anything else to alter their rituals for that matter, it would not be interfering with nature because we humans are a part of nature.
There is no way that humans can interfere with nature in any way. Anything we do in life is a part of nature.
WRONG.
Every other specie impact only theyre immediate surroundings, and the ecosystem balances out any extremme change that might occur by balancing theyre number with disease, new predators, or other.
Our impact, on the other side, has global effects; some activities cause permanent effects, and nature cannot balance the effect of our activities as fast as we make them.
Also, we not only use resources as plants and animals do, but we change them at chemical levels for our convenciene, creating new substances not naturally available in the ecosystems.
Animals dont make oil spills, dont cause global warming, nor the extinction of thousands of species as fast as we have done for the past decades.
Its basic ecology.
That strikes me as a somewhat godlike view of humans. We too are a part of nature. We may well turn out to be a failed species that had a detrimental effect on many other species. However, compared to some of the other life forms on the planet we are a brief flash so far and the verdict on our continuation is far from in. If humans blinked out today, it would take a relatively short time for the planet to heal itself. The interplay of humans and other species is no different from the interplay of elm trees and Dutch elm disease. No one wins, no one loses, the earth abides.
shareSure, animals don't but _nature_ have caused the extinction of numerous species and ecosystems. Just think about the ice age, meteors, continents moving or whatever. Nature isn't a creation that should be left as it was meant to be, it's ever-changing and it is my firm belief that humans won't ever be able to destoy nature. On the contrary, pollution etc are challenges that force life to adapt and become stronger.
sharePollution is the result of the action of man.
The second we started having free-will and the ability to choose options independently of our survival instinct, our actions detached from the regular natural order and relationship of events.
Meaning, our actions interfere with the natural evolution, while the actions of animals are a normal part of it.
"Nature isn't a creation that should be left as it was meant to be,"
Well, thats exactly what should have be done, the same way it was worked for eons. Pretending to "solve" natural things of nature will just make thing worse, (just like in the past we have made so many wrongs by introducing foreign species in a territory to then find out it was a huge mistake when they became pests).
We cant even begin to grasp the complicated relationships between all the species in a ecosystem.
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you're still wrong, gabrielh-1 ... we are a part of nature, and since we've won Darwin's war, we have more of a say over how other species live and, unfortunatley, die. Sorry, Eichman, just a fact...
Refute it all you want; you'll just be wrong.
"We are part of nature" - up to a level. It sounds as if to you killing each might also be acceptable since we are after all, animals and part of the cycle of hunt or been eaten?
The fact that we no longer attached to simple instincs, that we have "won Darwins War" as you say, is precisely the reason why we are no longer attached so such rules, and even more, we are becoming "guardians" of the safety of other species..more than they're killers.
"Refute it all you want; you'll just be wrong."
Well, it seems, you are not very open to debate or opposite ideas..so yes, whats the point...
GCH
duh, and make a way for predator to come to breeding ground??? and the hole doesn't freeze to close, becouse we put a gigantic heater??? why not just make a big warming nest, complete with egg warming machine, neglect mother-fatherhood???
let me guess, we should make the hole with nuclear bomb so it save time and money. well, that is a agood idea.
I agree with anotherego, I bet one of the reasons they breed so far from open water is because of those leopard seals. Penguins are a big part of their diet. (there's a National Geographic article about them this month, November 2006. Also I remember another old NG article from my childhood where the author said a leopard seal leaped out of an ice hole and chased him a good distance. They're pretty darn scary.)
shareA good reason not to interfere with nature:
At Yellowstone, people use to feed the bears....and pretty soon, the bears would no longer look for food. Yellowstone made visitors stop feeding bears and the bears went nuts. The ones that survived began to hunt for their own food again.
Finally, what humans see as a tortuous march, the penguins see as their daily routine.
I would like to clarify my prvious post.
Read it if you havent yet.
I said, basically, that man can NOT interfere with nature because we ARE a PART of nature.
I am not saying that we cannot AFFECT nature. Of course we can. Everything within nature affects it. But we cannot interfere. Its like saying a bird that builds a nest out of grass and weeds and trash debris is interfering with nature.
Man is a part of nature, just like a bird.
Well, the penguins aren't just on a big floating ice floe. Antarctica is a continent. There's probably land under all that ice. Even if there weren't, I'm pretty sure the ice would be too thick, and the hole would freeze over too quickly for it to be practical.
And if this was a joke, it was too subtle to be funny.
The penguins select their hatching sites for having very thick, melt-proof ice. Hence, any hole drilled in the winter would be VERY deep. This would complicate both the drilling and the swimming-through.
Also, the water in the hole would tend to re-freeze quickily during the coldest part of the winter.
And lastly, it's a toss-up whether the penguins would even use it. Their instincts tell them to walk back to the shore, not use a nearby hole.
LOL
Creative solution!
I was thinking (joking of course) that they should build a gigantic igloo, that way they won't freeze to death lol
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At those temperatures any hole drilled into the ice would freeze over in seconds.
Btw - there is no land beneath the breeding ground because by the summer when the chicks are ready to swim for the first time there is water around where they were born. This is why the chicks never have to undertake the march.
"WRONG.
Every other specie impact only theyre immediate surroundings, and the ecosystem balances out any extremme change that might occur by balancing theyre number with disease, new predators, or other.
Our impact, on the other side, has global effects; some activities cause permanent effects, and nature cannot balance the effect of our activities as fast as we make them.
Also, we not only use resources as plants and animals do, but we change them at chemical levels for our convenciene, creating new substances not naturally available in the ecosystems.
Animals dont make oil spills, dont cause global warming, nor the extinction of thousands of species as fast as we have done for the past decades.
Its basic ecology. "
Animals can and do make oil spills. Animals cause great damage. Animals maul and kill humans. How does causing global warming and extinction make us not a part of nature?
Put it this way, it is in THE NATURE of man to be destructive and manipulitave and self-destructive. Yes, not every man does these things, but we all have the capacity to do so. It is in our nature.
If "nature" did not want us to do these things, we would have not been given the capactiy and potential to do so. IT doesnt mean that we have to d oit, but then again, does a lion or a shark HAVE to kill and maul a human being? No...but they do.
I kind of thought the same thing after I watched it... I thought "wouldn't it be smarter to just take some food with them? we could introduce bags, or once a year, fly a plane over the breeding grounds and drop a bunch of fish for them". It sounds like a nice idea on its own, but I know that it's no good messing with nature, and ultimately, it would be a bad idea.
sharethe reason they cant drill a hole close to them is cuz they nest on the thickest part of the ice, and drilling a hole would make it less stable..killing baby penguins in the process
shareAntarctica is NOT ice floating on sea, there is land under all that ice and therefore nothing to drill through to!
shareI still say that the film crew should have brought a ton of snacks with them (fish, biscuits, cheese) and fed the pengs on the journey so that way none of the baby p's would die. That would have been the humane thing to do. And when the 'wins got trapped in the ice crevase, they should have backed a truck up to the ledge, formed a bucket brigade, and hauled the penguins to safety.
shareexcept that would totally ruin the entire point of the movie, as well as interfere in the worst way with the whole "survival of the fittest" thing
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