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Movie Ending Retoractively Ruined The Whole Show For Me


So I just marathon-ed this show over a week, and I loved it. It manages to be sufficiently philosophically deep without being a whole bunch of mumbo jumbo wank you usually find in most Shonen anime that tries to incorporate "deeper" thinking. Anyways, I watched it as a kid but never did see the movie, so I was rewatching the series because I'd mostly forgotten the story and I remember it being quite good and wanted to see how it properly ended.

Long story short I finish the series and go straight onto the movie awaiting a proper ending and "closure" (more on that later). It was pretty good, though some characters were horribly OOC to facilitate the plot, and the fact that all the characters we loved from the first show get like.. 10 minutes of screen time combined, in favor of completely new characters I couldn't give a *beep* about, is pretty disappointing, but overall, I was enjoying it.

Then I got to the ending.

What in the good name of *beep* was that? I watched them go through 51 episodes of hardship and misery only for them to end up in a completely foreign world, with none of the characters we came to know and love from the original series there, and where they will likely perish in the inevitable World War II (this movie did have a hard on for historical accuarcy, so you can't really say they'll change anything) because, let's face it, without Alchemy, they're not the Demi-Gods they were in the show (in terms of survivability, that is).

Don't even get me started on how badly this ending *beep* Winry over. She wasn't just a potential love interest for Ed, she was family as well. She was arguably their adopted sister (which feels weird saying that because of the love interest part), and apart from her Grandmother (who will also likely die in the near future), they were the ONLY family she had left. Sure she has the friends she made over the course of the show, but friends can't replace family at the end of the night, when you're in an empty house alone and your friends are with THEIR families.

I just.. ugh. I'm going to watch Brotherhood now and pretend this show is a darker "what if" alternate scenario as opposed to being "canon". I'm not even kidding, this ending got me seriously down.

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Brotherhood is canon and the first FMA is a darker "what if" so your thought process would be correct.

I still prefer the first FMA series.

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I just watched the first couple eps of Brotherhood, and I gotta say, I definitely prefer the first show so far too. I've heard the second show is more of a shonen anime with less philosophical thought and character development and with more typical anime "humor" (I put humor in quoation marks cause I'm really not a fan of it). The first anime is up there in my 10 top all time show lists, terrible ending not withstanding, so this is kinda disheartening. I heard Brotherhood hits its stride as it goes on though so I don't know.

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Who'd you think was horribly OOC?

What in the good name of *beep* was that? I watched them go through 51 episodes of hardship and misery only for them to end up in a completely foreign world, with none of the characters we came to know and love from the original series there, and where they will likely perish in the inevitable World War II (this movie did have a hard on for historical accuarcy, so you can't really say they'll change anything) because, let's face it, without Alchemy, they're not the Demi-Gods they were in the show (in terms of survivability, that is).
Well, this is a story about sacrifice: can't expect a shiny bow ending, can we? Still, Hughes does get his happy ending.

Personally, I liked the ending. The Brothers Elric's adventures in our world has so much potential: movies, baseball, aviation, etc. Rather exciting. As for the dark clouds ahead...Well, it's not like the FMA World was some wonderland. Heck, one could argue things were just as bad (or worse) BACK there. Besides, Ed and Al aren't babes in the woods; they are battle-hardened survivors; they can weather whatever happens to them. Plus, they are together again.

At least you gave no complaints to the historical events. A lot of people have criticized them, arguing that there were no German zeppelin raids in London during WWI (actually there were), or that the Nazis didn't exist until WWII. GEEZ, is it really so hard to look these things up?

Don't even get me started on how badly this ending *beep* Winry over. She wasn't just a potential love interest for Ed, she was family as well.
Well, this series was never FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST: A LOVE STORY to me, so the lack of romantic couplings never really bothered me (unlike some people...) Although one feels bad for Winry losing her two friends, the ending does imply she accepted what happened (Plus, she's not alone).

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Who'd you think was horribly OOC?

Mainly Mustang. He was shown to have accepted what had happened at the end of the anime, but to add stakes to it they sorta "retconned" that fact and just explained it away by saying he was faking it.
Well, this is a story about sacrifice: can't expect a shiny bow ending, can we? Still, Hughes does get his happy ending.

Well.. yeah, we can. The show was about sacrifice, but there are so many ways they could've destroyed the gate and got back without having to be stuck on Earth forever. Could've gone through, rigged it to destroy, and gone back before it did. That's mainly why I hated the ending, there was no logical reason for them to STAY there, except for the writers wanting their "bittersweet" ending.
Personally, I liked the ending. The Brothers Elric's adventures in our world has so much potential: movies, baseball, aviation, etc. Rather exciting.

I still think Alchemy is way cooler than all of the above.

As for the dark clouds ahead...Well, it's not like the FMA World was some wonderland. Heck, one could argue things were just as bad (or worse) BACK there. Besides, Ed and Al aren't babes in the woods; they are battle-hardened survivors; they can weather whatever happens to them. Plus, they are together again.

Atomic bombs = Even the strongest Alchemist dead, either from the initial blast or radiation poisoning.
Well, this series was never FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST: A LOVE STORY to me, so the lack of romantic couplings never really bothered me (unlike some people...) Although one feels bad for Winry losing her two friends, the ending does imply she accepted what happened (Plus, she's not alone)

It didn't bother me either, and if you'll note that's not really why I was bothered by Winry getting left behind. I quote
She was arguably their adopted sister (which feels weird saying that because of the love interest part), and apart from her Grandmother (who will also likely die in the near future), they were the ONLY family she had left.

She was FAMILY. It was repeatedly emphasised when they went back to Risembool and Winry got all angsty that they didn't tell her anything, that she was "home" to them. And I gotta say, for a show that emphasised familial bonds so much, boy did Winry get the short end of the stick.

And you can accept something, but it doesn't mean it'll ever fully heal. Winry will always have an Ed and Al shaped hole in her heart, even if she has accepted it and found happiness.

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Well, remember Roy has had a habit of 'faking it'- faking indifference over Hughes' death, faking failure over locating the Elric Brothers (until he showed the cracks when he mentioned Juliet Douglas'- hinting to Bradley's- role in Hughes' murder). Of course, one could also say Roy made an attempt to get over it, but failed. It happens, especially since his past is particularly hard to get over. Roy's revenge on Bradley was a huge impact on him. All his ambitions have come to failure. He had failed Hughes, failed to become the great man, and in his desire for vengeance an innocent died in the process. It pretty much tore the heart and soul out of him. Roy's exile in CoS was a logical conclusion.

Well.. yeah, we can. The show was about sacrifice, but there are so many ways they could've destroyed the gate and got back without having to be stuck on Earth forever. Could've gone through, rigged it to destroy, and gone back before it did.
Rather difficult I imagine. Anyway, Edward probably preferred to stay in this world to safeguard his own against any further invasions. Also, there is the matter about that bomb that carried over. Make up for their failure to reclaim it years ago.

I still think Alchemy is way cooler than all of the above.
I think mine is just as cool.

Atomic bombs = Even the strongest Alchemist dead, either from the initial blast or radiation poisoning.
Yes, our world does have the superior deadlier technology, although the FMA world had its share of wiping out civilizations.

And you can accept something, but it doesn't mean it'll ever fully heal. Winry will always have an Ed and Al shaped hole in her heart, even if she has accepted it and found happiness.
Just as Ed will have a hole in his heart over transmuting his mother & killing Homunculus (one of whom was created out of his mother), just as Al will have his own scars for transmuting Wrath and causing death & destruction in Central because he wanted his brother back. At least Winry doesn't have those scars.

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I guess it's just a matter of different opinions. I'm not averse to "bittersweet" endings, but you said it your self, after all the brothers went through, I wanted the cliche "And they lived happily ever after (in the same world)" ending. It may not be as poignant or riveting for some people, but I'll take satisfaction and closure over bittersweetness any day. (See: People who though Breaking Bad had a bad ending because there wasn't a big twist that dropped peoples jaws [I.E Walt kills Jesse or something like that, as opposed to the logical coherent ending we got).

You're not wrong about your points though, I'll give you that. I'm just a sappy sentimentalist sometimes ha.

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You should check out the "Kids" chapter of the OVA release, it's a little coda to the first anime and movie that while slightly breaking the fourth wall, provides a tad more neat closure to Ed and Al's story. It doesn't change where they are, but it gives hope that Edward found our world's counterpart to Winry and started himself a family, living a very long life with his brother. It's a touching little bit that by the end, choked me up a bit, really just an epilogue more than anything else.

As for Brotherhood, that's definitely the series to go to if you want more comedic happenings, an arc literally based off the manga, and a traditional happy ending. In the end, it comes down to personal taste on what to prefer, I personally prefer the original anime. It's more realistic in its direction IMO, I LOVE how the closing area of the story lines up with our own world's genuine history, I feel much more emotionally bonded to certain characters than where the manga/Brotherhood version has them (Hughes, Roy, Scar, Lust). Sure it goes a 100% totally different direction after ep 32 or so, but I don't mind that.

If you're interested in an anime with the darkness seen in the first Fullmetal anime and the traditional happy ending expectation Brotherhood offers, I'd recommend trying Yuyu Hakusho, AMAZING story there IMHO! It's got the kinda energy-hard-hitting action of similar scope to DragonBall Z, but also knows when to change the status quo and make things harder for the main characters even when you think there's nobody that can beat them. Characters change in certain ways, yet stay the exact same in other aspects as when first met, it's a story that mixes in the drama and comedy quite well. The first arc involves a series of demonic cases the main character must work on, moving from there into a length action-based tournament, then the show's mystery-tone gets back in gear while exploring some conspiracy elements, finally one more (much shorter) tournament concludes things.

Here's an episode list I put together for how to follow that:

Yuyu Hakusho

Arc 1 -- The Spirit Detective (21 eps):
"Surprised To Be Dead"
"Koenma Appears"
"Kuwabara: A Promise Between Men"
"Requirements for Lovers"
"Yusuke's Back"
"Three Monsters"
"Gouki and Kurama"
"The Three Eyes of Hiei"
"The Search Begins"
"Kuwabara's Spirit Sword"
"Hard Fights for Yusuke"
"Rando Rises. Kuwabara Falls"
"Yusuke vs. Rando: 99 Attacks"
"The Beasts of Maze Castle"
"Genbo, the Stone Beast"
"Byakko, the White Tiger"
"Byakko's Lair"
"Seiryu, the Blue Dragon"
"Suzaku, Leader of the Beasts"
"Seven Ways to Die"
"Yusuke's Sacrifice"

"Yuyu Hakusho the Movie: The Golden Seal"

Arc 2 -- The Dark Tournament (23 eps):
"Lamenting Beauty"
"The Toguro Brothers Gang"
"Deadly Triad"
"Kuwabara's Fight of Love"
"Toguro Returns"
"The Dark Tournament Begins"
"First Fight"
"Flowers of Blood"
"Dragon of the Darkness Flame"
"Stumbling Warrior"
"Knife Edge Death-Match"
"A Day in Waiting"
"Percentage of Victory"
"Glimpse Beneath the Mask"
"Ambition Destroyed: A Trial of Light"
"Master of Disguise"
"Kurama's Blood"
"Crushing Revenge"
"Jin, the Wind Master"
"Reverse Decisions"
"A Matter of Love and Death"
"The Masked Fighter Revealed"
"Yusuke's Final Test"

Arc 3 -- The Toguro Resolution (22 eps):
"Hiei Battles On"
"Many Faces, Many Forms"
"Legendary Bandit: Yoko Kurama"
"The Cape of No Return"
"Genkai's Strength"
"Suzuka's Challenge"
"Arch-Rivals"
"The Death of Genkai"
"Overcoming Grief"
"The Beginning of the End"
"The Beast Within"
"Yoko's Magic"
"Beneath Bui's Armor"
"Wielder of the Dragon"
"The Shadow of Elder Toguro"
"Sakyo's Proposal"
"Yusuke vs. Toguro"
"Toguro's Full Power"
"Yusuke's Despair"
"Toguro's Desire"
"Out With A Bang"
"Toguro's Wish"

"Yuyu Hakusho the Movie: Poltergeist Report"

Arc 4 -- The Sensui Conflict (26 eps):
"Return to Living World"
"Setting the Trap"
"The Power of Taboo"
"Genkai's Ruse"
"The Tunnel"
"The Reader"
"The Doctor's Disease"
"Sleep, Doctor, Sleep"
"Caught in the Rain"
"Kuwabara: Awakening"
"Sensui's Fall"
"Divide and Conquer"
"The Human Race"
"Moving Target"
"Let the Games Begin"
"If You Could Play Forever"
"Game Over"
"Kurama's Anger, Gourmet's Quest"
"Spirit Detective Showdown"
"The Difference Maker"
"Power Between the Teeth"
"The True Face of Sensui"
"Death of a Spirit Detective"
"Attempting Revenge"
"Waking the Lost"
"The Proof"

Arc 5 -- The True Destiny (20 eps):
"Sensui's End"
"Topside"
"Yusuke's Destiny"
"Three Strangers, Three Kings"
"Departing Living World"
"Return to Demon World"
"Haunted By The Past"
"The Secret of the Jagan"
"Reunion of the Bandits"
"Torn Between Identities"
"Inheritance"
"Every Demon For Himself"
"The Preliminaries"
"The Battle of Father and Son"
"The Demon World Tournament Begins"
"Farewell, Kurama"
"Love and War"
"A Reason to Fight"
"Closure"
"To the Future"

Eizou Hakusho Epilogue:
"Opening & Ending Encyclopedia"


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