Because she really seemed to be, despite her protestations. She was touching him A LOT. Plus Johnny was a lot hotter and more physical than fake goody-goody sanctimonious George.
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She touched everybody a lot. Remember the kissing cheeks? I don't think she was attracted to him, but he was to her.
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I disagree. She does the European salut kiss with people when she meets them, because that's traditional European culture.
But that has nothing to do with the fact that she was holding Johnny's arm for the entire time they were talking about the book. Plus she gives him two different several-minute-long hugs. And he's a guy, not a gal.
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They do that in Europe, but she wasns't in Europe. I noticed from the first that Madeline couldn't keep her hand off anybody. She was much too kissy-face with everyone, and in the scene with Johnny in the kitchen, I thought she was going to make a pass at him, she came on so strong. She was just meeting those people, and in their own home, and she should have waited to see what kind of greeting they would give before she started kissing them.
sharejjamison-2 wrote:Cultures differ very widely in how physical people are with each other. Families also differ very widely in how physical they are with each other.
They do that in Europe, but she wasns't in Europe. I noticed from the first that Madeline couldn't keep her hand off anybody. She was much too kissy-face with everyone, and in the scene with Johnny in the kitchen, I thought she was going to make a pass at him, she came on so strong.
She was just meeting those people, and in their own home, and she should have waited to see what kind of greeting they would give before she started kissing them.Those are your values, and maybe to some degree the values of the family. Actually, also of my family. But they are far from universal, and they are not Madeleine's values. Put the parents in Madeleine's parent's home, and they are going to come across as real cold fish.
in big cities especially in the art world they do this a lot
Madeline was so cultured and I think it pulled her heart strings to see Johnny so unhappy and unfulfilled
No; she was just sort of a physical person like that and touching was her way of showing affection, which I suppose she felt he needed.
shareI think Madeline could see Johnny was troubled from the beginning. I think her affection of touching him was a way to show him that he was loved, and that things would be okay. Nothing sexual about it. She wanted to help him... in my eyes.
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But i think Johnny was a bit attracted to her. Cause Johnny wanted to touch her butt... :-p
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I strongly agree that Madeleine was not coming on to Johnny. She was totally in love with her husband, as shown in several passionate scenes of newlywed-style physicality. Her comment about Johnny smelling like George was just an offhand observation, stemming from her still being drunk with attraction to George. I think the long hug for Johnny was her way of trying to comfort him in his unhappiness and frustration. She was definitely a fish out of water in South Carolina.
shareEven though Madeleine was warm with everyone, she seemed to save most of her heat for Johnny. And the "smell like" line seemed to be an invitation. There was something really questionable going on underneath the surface there, and when Johnny grabbed for her "bait" (i.e., her butt), her protests confused me. What did she expect?
shareI know she played it up to being just friendly.... honestly though, as a woman you know acting that friendly with a guy could give him the wrong impression
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yeah. she liked johnny assgrab.
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I think she was a narcissist who wanted men to worship her like a goddess. She was from the art world and use to being flamboyant at gallery soirees. When she saw young Johnny, she wanted to be a mentor and flirted with him like a (bad, needy) teacher does with a favorite student. The irony was that Ashley was ready to be mentored by Madeleine, but Madeleine closed her off, perhaps because Ashley had more to teach Madeleine than to learn from her.
- oh and the "assgrab" comment above impressed you more? Pff, ignore
Uly_5 wrote:
I think she was a narcissist who wanted men to worship her like a goddess.That is complete nonsense and that is as much a reply as your post deserves.
assgrab comments always impress. don't disagree with you. overall, i think she was a stranger in a strange land just trying to get along.
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Since someone seems to agree with you, I will give your post more attention than it does deserve.
Uly_5 wrote:
I think she was a narcissist who wanted men to worship her like a goddess.You are making that up. There is nothing in the movie to suggest that.
She was from the art world and use to being flamboyant at gallery soirees.Again, that is your fantasy. There is nothing in the movie to suggest that.
When she saw young Johnny, she wanted to be a mentorThere is nothing in the movie to suggest that. Ashley asks Madeleine to help Johnny. She is not eager to do so.
and flirted with him like a (bad, needy) teacher does with a favorite student.Madeline never flirts with Johnny. Even if you are so dense as to misinterpret her attempts to comfort Johnny, that is still not flirting.
The irony was that Ashley was ready to be mentored by Madeleine, but Madeleine closed her off,That never happens. Perhaps you fell asleep during the sequence in which Ashley is being taken to the hospital.
perhaps because Ashley had more to teach Madeleine than to learn from her.Ashley is a nice person, but she is a child. There is not a lot that an adult could learn from her.
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I don't think she was attracted to him at all. And Johnny was hotter? I'm not a woman, but even still, I just don't see it. I thought Johnny was rather dopey looking.
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Yes.
1. She commented on how she knew Johnny must be Johnny because he looked like George.
2. She commented on how Johnny smelled like George.
3. She was very touchy-feely with him, especially when she was literally holding onto and literally rubbing his arm at the kitchen table while they were looking through Huck Finn.
So, yes, she was attracted to him.
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So, yes, she was attracted to him.Of course she wasn't. That is just ridiculous. And perhaps wishful thinking on your part.
She was very touchy-feely with himMadeline is touchy-feely with everyone. It is her cultural background. If someone is upset, her impulse is to hold them. share
And perhaps wishful thinking on your part.
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Yes, because I frequently wish that fictional characters were attracted to each other.I was thinking more of the frequent male fantasy that even women like Madeleine would be attracted to someone "hot" like Johnny.I was suggesting that perhaps you believe Madeleine was attracted to Johnny because you believe that she would be attracted to you. All crap.If that is not why you have the absurd notion that Madeleine was attracted to Johnny, then it isn't. I was just trying to make sense out of what you said. share