How did Troy die?
I haven't read the book. Anyone know?
sharei can’t remember how he died in the book. i’m guessing that drugs was either implied or stated, which irritates me because alan troy was based on a real dude, troy collier, who in real life died in a ice-related road accident. check this out:
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?23557-Marines%92-mother-critical-of-%91Jarhead%92
hollywood is full of crap and audiences are dumb. so a REAL story has to be turned into a bunch of exaggerated garbage otherwise idiots (99% of the population) will tune out.
Uh not sure where you got that inference, the cause of death isn't revealed or implied toward whatsoever in the film, let alone implied that drugs were involved.
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in the movie he was getting kicked out of the marines because of drugs and at least once the character himself makes references to drugs (“maybe i’ll go sling some dope”). then he dies at a very young age and no one mentions cause of death, which in my experience usually means bad news. so yeah, to me, drugs or suicide or crime or something negative is implied and i think it’s arguably part of the plot, since the character is depicted as troubled because he wanted so badly to stay in the marines. if you want to think he died from eating too many fruit loops that's fine with me
sharei just read here that in the book he dies in a road accident, so my guess about the book was incorrect, although the author seemed to use lots of poetic license and im not suprised at myself for being wrong about that. also i stand by everything i say about the movie. which is not to say i didn’t like the movie or book....i read the book twice (a long time ago) and have seen the movie several times i think. to me, the scene where troy flips out is one of the best scenes ever, when you consider the context of how hard those guys trained for that one instant.
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In the book Troy is denied reenlistment because he failed a drug urine test, in the movie it's stated that he had a criminal record and lied about it, no mention of drugs. Troy (in the film) mentions slinging dope. There are no other instances in the entire film that would suggest that that was anything other than a joke or hyperbole, you're creating a narrative for the character that's essentially fantasy. And that's fine! That's what's great about art, everyone can take something different away from it, I just didn't see it myself.
Send in the clowns...
in the movie it's stated that he had a criminal record and lied about it, no mention of drugs
ok you’re right. there’s a deleted scene where he explains that he got arrested for selling drugs, and this is probably what i was thinking...who knows how far the filmmakers were going with this in their heads. i did think the “sell some crack” line was meant by the character to be...well, like 90% facetious, 10% serious.
i know a lot of people who have died, and (in my experience) friends and relatives ALWAYS make a huge point about how they died unless it was...well, ya know, suicide or drugs or drinking or whatever. then they are quiet. im sure someone could come up with a counterexample, but it seems to me that this also applies (in general) to movies, maybe even moreso because of plot-related stuff: i mean, we already know the character is troubled...and since we know this i think to have him die without explanation implies something, not drugs necessarily but maybe one of the other aforementioned “troubling” things. and to be honest i’m completely distracted by the fact that we’re having a civil discussion on imdb so it’s hard to think straight.
That's what's great about art, everyone can take something different away from it
i agree, and i always find these discussions interesting. like, was barnes (platoon) from tennessee, or montana, or is it impossible to say? was the road warrior a true sequel? etc etc
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and regardless of all this...if i had written the book or made the movie i’d have COMPLETELY changed the guy’s name out of respect to him and his poor mom.
and let me just say (just in case you're from a warm climate)...black ice is bad news and can pop up out of nowhere and it doesn’t matter how safe a driver you are. you’re driving along on a road that’s ice-free for miles and you hit one tiny ice patch that’s completely invisible, and BAM, it’s all over.
Hmm...now I have to go back and watch the deleted scenes, that is very interesting. While I revisit the film around once a year I probably haven't viewed the deleted scenes since I bought the original DVD around what...ten years ago? And since I tossed it when I bought the HD-DVD, then that for the BD; I don't even know if the BD even has the deleted scenes. Now that would be funny, repurchasing the DVD years later just for that, though it wouldn't be the first time.
As for changing Troy's name, it's an interesting situation. I would hope it was just lazy writing, as that was his first published book it's entirely possible. I just had this discussion with my nephew the other day, I asked him if he ever noticed the constant alliteration in comic book characters names (then I had to explain to him what alliteration meant lol) and how it's a tool of lazy (or busy) writers to quickly and easily remember characters' names. I would hope that might explain Swofford's choice of the character's name, just a first time writer's shortcut. I'd be shocked if there was any malice behind it.
am i the only person who doesn’t always get notified when someone responds to a post?
here’s a link for jarhead deleted scenes. i think this is the one i watched yesterday but i’m not sure. the picture isn’t great but you can watch for the info, not the...experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2svcHVSo1FM
yeah writing books or making movies based on real events is a screwy area to get into. you might want to pay tribute to real people but at the same time you probably don’t want to make them look bad. and of course some people WANT to make people look bad. like, i always thought what they did to captain sobel in band of brothers was really unfair, “irregardless” of whether the real-life sobel deserved it or not. (if you don’t know band of brothers, just skip over this.) they deliberately portrayed him as an idiot without the slightest possibility that hey, even if he IS an idiot maybe he’s an idiot for a reason and maybe there’s a side to his story. i always hate that when they make characters that are just worthless pieces of crap that we’re all supposed to look at and go, “what a pathetic douche” and we feel better about ourselves. blah blah blah, bottom line, i’m glad i’m not a writer because it would burden me wondering if i’d written anything that had done a person injustice.
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Lol you went from "I can't remember" and "i'm guessing" to "the audiences are dumb" and "exaggerated garbage". You don't really seem like the most stable button on a polo.
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