Protecting the Rape Scene

The argument is that this is NOT an actual rape. If it is pretend then it should be alright. If the child is not being forced to pretend it is alright.

And of course if an adult were to find this sexually exciting then that's his problem not the filmmaker's. And if the filmmaker profits on this legal exploitaion then fine, call it a "educational" film, it educates people about the horrors of rape.

I recall nudists or naturalists videos and magazines were of a big interests with pedophiles, (same thing with all those "non-nude" websites) because the majority of the images were of prepubescent kids. Of course the seller of these publicaitons and videos objected to the crackdown saying it was just a lifestyle, no child was forced to do it, no sex acts were shown and nobody got hurt. Meanwhile the $100 videos and $30 magazines are flying off the shelf.

But you're right, some one will sooner or later shock people with a film showing an infant being raped and the director/producer will argue that it was not a real baby it was a doll, a doll you couldnt tell if it was a real baby or not. You just had to trust the one making the money off of it whether or not a scene that was cut from the film showed an adult humping away at the real baby, whether or not a doll was even used.


Leave the kids alone!

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It's not the fact that criticizing child rape makes someone become a crazy psycho. It just seems that a lot of people are more worried about someone acting, rather than how this is happening to kids in real life, every day.

And the people who actually have watched this movie thinks people are crazy, because the rape scene was barely anything. There are movies that are a lot worse, like Bastard out of Carolina and Eye for an Eye.

And if you can't handle watching a rape scene, like Eye for an Eye, or whatever, then maybe it is best if you stop watching movies with rape in it all together.

There's types of movies I don't care for. Instead of whining and complaining, I just simply don't waste my precious time watching it.

I agree. I'm not Christian and not American etc. so not particularly anti-it (though it wasn't a great film, and I don't think that's a very great thing for a kid to spend her spare time identifying with, regardless of whether she's mentally capable of it or not). But the people who have been fighting so hard to defend the rape scene just creep me out. I don't get why anybody would bother being so dedicated to that. Oh, but they're protecting us from terrible evil censorship, and the disappearance of art and slander against DF, not to mention it happens in real life therefore we need to wach it blah blah blah! I think in this case a lot of them are just over-excited DF fans though.

Not all movies are, as you say, merely entertainment. Sometimes a film reaches beyond a surface kind of involvement with its viewers. All drama illustrates conflict, dramatic conflict, which usually means extraordinary, extreme conflict. Your sensitivity should of course be respected, but not all of us are as affected by these kind of things. Jesusays would make you believe that an increased permissiveness in art and entertainment is leading us down the primrose path. But in actual fact, art and drama has delved into the extremities of human conflict, behavior, and violence since the very beginning of recorded time. Greek Tragedy is neither tasteful nor demure, and Greek Comedy makes what happens in CALIFORNICATION seem positively G rated. I'm talking about matricide, patricide, infanticide, incest, mass murder, cannibalism, you name it: the tragedies explore the human condition within these extraordinary circumstances. Shakespeare and the writers that followed set in motion the revenge drama, a genre that embraces all manner of excess and perversion to explore the depths of human despair and tragedy. One of history's earliest examples of a novel was written in Rome during the time of Nero. It is a vicious social satire, extremely pornographic and actually very funny in places. What I'm driving at here - an not very clearly, I suspect - is that these ancient examples of storytelling and drama represent the notion that the human condition is not an easily defined or codified equation. Civilization demands certain a restraint to maintain order, and that's where drama comes in. Through drama (art, literature, film) we are able to explore the conflicts that exist beneath civilization's sense of order and calm. Entertainment may in fact embrace conflicts that are disturbing to some, absurd, ridiculous to others. You may not choose to watch or read anything that crosses a certain line. That's your choice. But others find meaning and even comfort in material that pokes and challenges the mind and spirit. Reading the angry messages on the HOUNDDOG board, I'd say it's not the desire to view rape that gets people going, it's the virulent, insulting attacks by those that level generalized platitudes, ignoring genuine discussion, substituting slanderous accusations for debate: that's what gets some of us going.

"Why are so many of you desperate to be entertained by watching a child get raped? 10 seconds or 10 minutes, what type of mentality does it take to say "hey, you Christians shut up and stop preventing me from watching child rape!"????"

It's NOT real!!!!! It's a movie!

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The rape scene should not have been cut. It was an integral part of the story.

When she made the agreement in order to see the show, it never occurred to her that the price was to be her virginity.

The story is the story, it is not up to us to demand it be changed, rather, it is our decision not to read the story. (or see the movie)