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I'm horrible at names so you'll have to excuse me on that but it really seemed to me that the rape scene was only added for shock value so it would stir up controversy and nothing more. I'm not against rape scenes in movies -- rape is a very powerful issue and many movies that use it do a good job of it. This movie doesn't.
It honestly felt that it was just tacked on. You had the plot developing fine, a typical kids slowly falling in love story. Then when they introduced the rich girl, I thought for sure that the dakota girl would get her heart broken. Really, the whole scene of the rich girl being introduced to dakota and her 'boyfriend' plays out like the typical genre.
So I figured that this boy would somehow betray dakota and become friends with the rich girl. I never expected that instead the boy would bring dakota to be raped by the milk boy o_O The whole scene was crude and utterly useless. The movie could have had the same affect if it was her heart being broken by the boy by him giving the ticket to the rich girl and taking her, as it happened in the movie, without the movie having the rape scene to 'break' dakota's spirit.
Does anyone else agree? That the rape scene was useless and was added for shock value only?
The rape scene was used to hammer in the rightwing-feminist agenda that all men are evil, even when they are kids, thus Cody bringing Lewellen to the shed setting her up to get raped. The final edit deleted the part showing Cody, the 10 year old boyfriend, laughing as Lewellen was raped.
Apparently in the mind of the men hating writer/director a girl's innocent experimentation with wanting to see a boys penis, and dancing seductively, even at 9 years of age, brings about an evil animalistic demon in all males, fathers included.
Was the rape scene needed to show this? Dakota's mom thought so. Dakota's mom also thought it was good to show Lewellen (Dakota) hold the 10 year old Cody and the 8 year old Grasshopper at gun point and make them strip and fondle each other thus showing how Dakota reached for "power" in a "typical male" manner. Of course this entire scene was deleted prior to it's release for obvious reasons.
Rightwing-feminist agenda? Someone who doesn't realize how huge of an oxymoron that is probably shouldn't be pretending to know what rightwing OR feminist agendas are. And that goes for speaking on behalf of them.
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Actually, it is possible being a rightwing-feminist.
But it would require the feminist to be libertarian and pro-capitalism.
Of course, finding feminists who fit that description is like finding a needle in a hay-stack (since most feminists are actually socialists hiding behind women-rights issues, just look at their silence regarding treatment of women in non-Western cultures), but nevertheless they exist.
Although that is obviously NOT what the guy who used the phrase "right-wing feminist" meant. He is probably one of those who think "well, this is an aspect of feminism that is really bad, so we'll simply call it "rightwing" and presto, problem solved."
What is with the obsession about treatment of women in non-Western cultures? You think that women are treated best in western cultures? Sorry. I do not buy this argument.
Fact is that women are being heavily and negatively 'exploited' under the banner of liberation in Western cultures and the so-called liberals fail to realize this.
.............. Really? I am not saying the west is perfect, but there are many many cultures that treat woman a lot worse, I am not going to name them because if you really care, you can figure it out for yourself. All I can say is, there is a lot of lies about the west right now.Nobody said it was perfect, but many places are far less perfect.
You really think there is some "rightwing-feminist agenda" working in Hollywood?
Do you even have a clue how idiotic that sounds?
99% or more of Hollywood is slightly to the left of Josef Stalin, and even though they mouth whatever feminist propaganda is fashionable this week, the whores who run Hollywood purposely stick in nudity and sexual scenes just to hype their product and keep the teenage boys buying tickets.
Like most liberals, they'd sell their mother to the Arabs for the right amount of money.
What would have been the real conflict of the story then? Dakota's character wouldn't have gone through any kind of change or arch in the story.
But that was part of the problem, IMHO. Yes, she changed, but it was totally irrelevant to the story.
yes, she lets her dad die.. but then the movie ends...we have no real insight into how the rape affected her. Also, how much of her change was from the rape and how much was from the fact her dad was reduced to a man-child and she couldn't deal or relate with him?
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okay, do you remember after she was raped she stayed in bed for days? They couldn't get her out of bed and she was sick. Those were the after effects. Because before, she was free and maybe a little bit too much. And she didn't realize what her actions were doing and what it would cause until it was too late. Then it took all the life out of her and not until after she talked with her friend was she able to somewhat realize she could keep going. Yeah, it was all fast, but it's a movie. Things are sped up and you don't exactly know what's going to happen to her but you gather she is going to live with "Stranger lady" and maybe have a better life. And maybe then she was able to realize she could leave her dad and she didn't have to live that way.
It doesn't give you all the answers, which is kinda the point. It was meant to make people talk and figure things out for themselves. Good or bad.
I think the rape scene was absolutely necessary to the film. That doesn't mean that I think it's right for such a young girl to be acting out a scene like that, but as far as the film's plot goes, it was certainly needed. I am sorry OP, but puppy love heartbreak doesn't have near the effect that childhood rape has on a kid. Typical rejection from middle school boyfriends would typically affect a little girl for a week or so, until she finds someone new to crush on. Being raped doesn't ever go away. The rape scene not only proved the fact that, though Lewellen's character was very independent and wise for her age, she was still a naive child. Furthermore, it led to a complete change in her character that shaped the rest of the film.
In To Kill a Mockingbird Scout gets jumped and we don't have to see what happened to know the intent was something bad. We know she is in her underware, we suspect that the man may have had some sick and twisted desires. We didn't need anyone to paint us a picture like Hounddog did.
Did you miss the scene immediately after the rape where she lies comatose in bed, dreaming of snakes getting in through the window and coveirng her? Her friend wakes her out of it and forces her to sing through her pain and fight to reclaim herself. The rape is the apex, the culmination of the world battering this poor little girl and she still struggles and survives.
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It takes something extreme to get a 12 year old white girl to sing the blues. She was a shimmer of light being engulfed by the darkness that surround her. Everyone turned on her, her father neglected her and then became mentally challenged, her grandmother gave her no room to be "her", the stranger lady lied and turn her back on her, her childhood friends that she confined in would turn against her and even her idol Elvis kept on riding by. The only person she could trust was Charles and he was a mentor that guided her to find peace and harmony within her spirit. All her Elvis mimics weren't her true self it was just a fantasy, an escape from her daily hardships. Charles could see her for what she really is, which was an amazing beautiful gift from god that was trapped in a world of darkness. That's why Charles says 24 minutes in the film "feeling the spirits in the dark, are you?" Charles identifies her life as that of a snake charmer or medicine man that handles the venom of the snake when the medicine man gets so much of the venom in their veins they either die or become immune to it. What more poison can a little girl have then to be raped? She was bite by the snake and the venom was killing her. Charles realized this and knew her spirit was buried and suffocating from the darkness that poison her body,mind and soul. He knew the only way to bring forth that spirit was for her to do which she loved most despite all the wrong she been dealt and that was to sing hounddog but not to imitate Elvis with the song but to sing it from her own perspective, with her heart and soul. Dakota plays it perfectly when she first is standing their singing I can almost see the darkness around her through her body language and speech but as she sings it's like a light emerging from underneath her and rising upward completely surrounding her that takes her away from that dark place. As horrible as it seems, something like what happen to her would make a little white girl sing the blues.
As for Dakota Fanning she absolutely blows my mind. I never seen a child on screen as talented as her. I just hope as she gets older that the life style that comes with being a famous actor doesn't eat her up. I personally have and will continue to enjoy seeing her grow up before my eyes on the wide screen as she continues to take on challenging roles such as Lewellen.
In my opinion Dakota is the next Hilary Swank but yet innovating enough to still be in her own league.
Wow, dannicus, that was amazing! Very insightful. I was a little confused after watching this one for the first time today, but your post really straightened it out for me. As for the people knocking the rape scene, I call much ado about nothing. It was necessary, it wasn't graphic (most of it being implied) and it was obviously not above Fanning's acting abliity to pull it off. So, i'd say if this sort of thing disturbs you, don't watch it. Sounds pretty simple to me.
impressive? when can a rape scene ever be impressive? not long enough? why would want it to go on for longer? not graphic enough?, do you want to see everything? It's not a porn film you know.
The rape scene was necessary! It was the intent of the Director to make as strong of an impression upon the viewers as possible, regarding the horror of the rape of a little girl. Dakota's performance in the rape scene drove home the point the Director wanted to make.
If you think that having the kid just jilted by her "boyfriend" would have the same dramatic effect as the rape, you are obviously too freaked out by an imaginary rape to have a clear view of anything here.
It's a movie. The kid wasn't raped. By all accounts, the kid didn't even really understand what the final cut was supposed to represent.
Whether the scene was "necessary" depends on whether you really give a rat's a** about what the original author wrote, or intented. You can cut all sex and violence out of film -- if you're willing to let the end-product be puerile, boring crud.
Nope. No one agrees cause you're entirely off base. The rape scene was CRUCIAL because that's what stopped her from singing and dancing. Remember how in the movie it was dance and sing, dance and sing, dance and sing, rape, no more dancing and singing? She "lost her voice" because of the rape. That scene was pivotal to the rest of the film.
for shock value and controversy yes it's and indie film so i'm sure it was a marketing tactic .I feel anytime something extreme is shown in a film it's used as a marketing tool.Freud said it best we're driven by two things "Sex and ambition".I think in our society we lean more towards the sex end also i've seen the movie(rape scene included).To be perfectly honest it wasn't that bad ,it was done well not over done .Or not to graphic and it was quick i feel alot of movie sex and rape scenes should be done that way. Quick and to the point,so the audience doesn't lose sight of the real point of the story .
Also i wouldn't doubt it if the choice for dakota to do this movie had something to do with.Her being marketing as like a brooke shields type;going back to to what you said said about shock value .That's why they call it the film business ,at the end of the day it's about selling your product.
in the case of hound dog it wasnt bad i think they did it tastefully .in cases irreversible it went to far . the heavy handedness they used was not needed they treat the audience as if they are stupid or ignorant its insulting to anyone to half a brain . In hound dog it was just enough to where you got the point of the message
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