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posted 10 years ago by fanatic21
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Rewatching Lost and currently on season 5. During the flash forwards in season 4 and 5 when our Losties are back in LA, there are often men chasing the six and trying to kill them (specifically Sayid and Hurley for whatever reason?) who presumably work for Widmore. We are also told they killed Nadia, although Ben may have been responsible for that (I think.) So my question is simply: why? Widmore seems to want the oceanic six back on the island (I don't really understand why?)

Also, why did Widmore want to kill everyone on the island? I thought it might just be Ben lying, but Keamy's actions seen to contradict this. Widmore wants to find the island and exploit it, and he wants Ben gone. I get that, but how does killing everyone (possibly with the gas like Charlotte and Daniel feared) help his cause?

I guess I'm just really confused with Widmore. I get what his ultimate goals are, but I'm confused why he 1. Wanted to kill the islands inhabitants 2. Wanted to get the oceanic six back to the island later on, and 3. Seemingly sent assassins after sayid and Hurley.

Thanks in advance!!

[–] bsharporflat 10 years ago

I guess I'm just really confused with Widmore. I get what his ultimate goals are, but I'm confused why he... 1. Wanted to kill the islands inhabitants

If gassing everyone on the Island would kill Ben Linus and his followers, and allow Widmore to take control again, doesn't that make sense? Poison gas is how Ben Linus and The Others got rid of Dharma.

...2. Wanted to get the oceanic six back to the island later on

The Flash Forward takes place after the Freighter has been destroyed and after the Island has been "moved" in space/time so it can't be found again. It would seem Widmore's main goal in following the Losties is to follow them back to the Island, when/if they get there.

...3. Seemingly sent assassins after sayid and Hurley.

I don't think there is a real attempt to assassinate Hurley, only to follow him. Hurley is in a mental institution and tends to be paranoid. So it isn't surprising that he thinks the people following him are trying to kill him.

Sayid, on the other hand, has been working as an assassin for Ben Linus, killing off Charles Widmore's associates. It makes sense to want to kill Sayid.

[–] fanatic21 10 years ago

If gassing everyone on the Island would kill Ben Linus and his followers, and allow Widmore to take control again, doesn't that make sense? Poison gas is how Ben Linus and The Others got rid of Dharma.

Yeah, I just thought we heard at multiple points that Widmore wanted to get Ben, on top of his other mission of killing everyone on the island. I don't get why that part was necessary though. Why would he want everyone dead? He wouldn't even have anybody to lead once he got to the island. I guess he would just get new followers that trust him more?

The Flash Forward takes place after the Freighter has been destroyed and after the Island has been "moved" in space/time so it can't be found again. It would seem Widmore's main goal in following the Losties is to follow them back to the Island, when/if they get there.

Aha, duh. So Widmore didn't care about getting the 'special' ones back to the island. He just wanted to follow them. So, I'm assuming Widmore either uses Eloise or the route that their Ajira flight took to later find the island himself? I haven't gotten to that part on my rewatch so I have no idea how he ends up finding it. If so, that makes perfect sense now.

Sayid, on the other hand, has been working as an assassin for Ben Linus, killing off Charles Widmore's associates. It makes sense to want to kill Sayid.

Okay, makes sense, thanks. Now that I realize Widmore doesn't have any interest in the Six besides exploiting them to get back to the island, it now makes sense to me that he would want Sayid dead since he is a threat, thanks

[–] bsharporflat 10 years ago

Why would he [Widmore] want everyone dead? He wouldn't even have anybody to lead once he got to the island. I guess he would just get new followers that trust him more?

I think it is something like that. Ben Linus was definitely his main target. Judging from Keamy's words, I think the poison gas was meant more as a threat to ensure Widmore got his way. Why else would he wait to use it. Why take Alex as a hostage and threaten Ben with her death? Why not just gas the whole Island and skip all the drama.

But I think you are right. If Widmore HAD to use the poison gas and kill everyone on the Island he was prepared to do that. He seemed to have no shortage of followers from the outside world.

Aha, duh. So Widmore didn't care about getting the 'special' ones back to the island. He just wanted to follow them.

I think so. Widmore's greed and lust for power may have served the MIB but I don't think Widmore actually realized he was being manipulated. Like Ben Linus, he thought HE was in control.

So, I'm assuming Widmore either uses Eloise or the route that their Ajira flight took to later find the island himself? I haven't gotten to that part on my rewatch so I have no idea how he ends up finding it.

Yes, I think that was Widmore's plan. But at the end of Season 6...when Widmore gets back on the Island, bringing Desmond with him, he says he was following Jacob's orders. This is tricky. Was it REALLY Jacob who wanted Desmond brought to the Island or was it the MIB posing as Jacob? I don't know. Desmond returning served BOTH Jacob's and the MIB's purposes. But the MIB had Desmond thrown down a well at first...so maybe it was Jacob who brought Widmore.

On the other hand, I have seen what I think is a Lost rule- Anything the real Jacob actually does will be shown on screen. Anything which is the result of the MIB posing as Jacob will be shown indirectly. So maybe it was the MIB who sends Widmore to the Island with Desmond in the end. I'm just not sure. Let me know what you think when you get there.

[–] fanatic21 10 years ago

Awesome, thanks for the help. And I'll let you know when I get to that part!

[–] secondscout 9 years ago

Anything which is the result of the MIB posing as Jacob will be shown indirectly.

When did MiB actually pose as Jacob?

Shut up talking spaceship! I'm trying to watch my favorite sci-fi show.

[–] Chad-Warden 9 years ago

What are you a fanatic of?

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[–] fanatic21 9 years ago

Lol it's just a name. I like tv though?

[–] ZeWRSalesman 9 years ago

What about film?

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[–] fanatic21 9 years ago

Yep film too..

[–] secondscout 9 years ago

And what about computer games?

Shut up talking spaceship! I'm trying to watch my favorite sci-fi show.

[–] fanatic21 9 years ago

What is up with your random weird posts dude.

No, I don't like computer games.

[–] ZeWRSalesman 9 years ago

Do you like movies about gladiators?

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[–] fanatic21 9 years ago

What is wrong with u ppl

[–] LucusNon 9 years ago

I don't know what is wrong with us ppl, but I do know the Banyan trees provide cover. Hide inside the hollowed roots and you should be safe.

[–] RadulovichEnvelope 9 years ago

So my question is simply: why? Widmore seems to want the oceanic six back on the island (I don't really understand why?)

They never actually explained who those people were. My theory though is that it wasn't Widmore, but rather it was Ilana and Jacob's bodyguards. As those "assassins" were using tranquilizer guns and Ilana's mission was to get them all to come back to the island.

Also, why did Widmore want to kill everyone on the island? I thought it might just be Ben lying, but Keamy's actions seen to contradict this. Widmore wants to find the island and exploit it, and he wants Ben gone. I get that, but how does killing everyone (possibly with the gas like Charlotte and Daniel feared) help his cause?

In Widmore's eyes he was the rightful leader of the island. When Ben banished him, to Widmore that was a mutiny. So to him they deserved to die, because they followed Ben. Clear house and start over with a new group that would be loyal to Widmore.

[–] secondscout 8 years ago

In Widmore's eyes he was the rightful leader of the island. When Ben banished him, to Widmore that was a mutiny. So to him they deserved to die, because they followed Ben. Clear house and start over with a new group that would be loyal to Widmore.

Why did he think baby Alex deserved to die though?

Shut up talking spaceship! I'm trying to watch my favorite sci-fi show.

[–] Boni-The-Sock 9 years ago

How the *beep* is this a quick question? IT'S THREE *beep* PARAGRAPHS LONG!

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[–] ZeWRSalesman 9 years ago

Beep Beep, Richie.

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