Is Martin a narcissist ?
I dint understand the characterization... He exhibits many characteristics of a narcissist but , at the same time they show the avoidant nature of being a true victim of the society ..thoughts anyone ?
I dint understand the characterization... He exhibits many characteristics of a narcissist but , at the same time they show the avoidant nature of being a true victim of the society ..thoughts anyone ?
Depends on what you mean by "narcissist," I suppose. He is very confident in his skills as a doctor and his overall intelligence, but he certainly doesn't meet the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
He cares about people (not just Louisa) and is actually quite ethical, and has zero regard for status.
I think they've established he acts out of deep insecurities caused by rotten, selfish parents. He doesn't seem preoccupied with money, fame, admiration of others, or risk taking like you'd expect from a narcissistic character.
shareI agree Martin doesn't exhibit the ugly side of narcissists ...but it's only a fictional character and they wouldn't want the audience to hate him ...most of the children brought up by emotionally distant narcissistic parents become narcissists themselves ...the cycle of tragedies continues over generations .
Martin Ellingham is not a narcissist. He does not meet the criteria set by the DSM-5 or ICD-10 for the disorder. I addressed this in another thread. I will not go into a lot of detail, but there is one trait that Martin has that rules out Narcissism. That is empathy.
Martin shows great empathy for anyone who is legitimately ill. Also, the reason he is no longer a surgeon is because during a surgical procedure he realized that the patient he was operating on was a human being, not just a body. He made a human connection with her...empathy.
When his emotions break through the repression, that is his usual mode of operation, he has very deep feelings, especially for Louisa, James Henry, and his Aunts. He is at his core a very caring man.
Narcissists are not caring of anyone. They are shallow and self centered.
Dr. Erlich
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Seems to me he has Asperger's.
shareHi 2jdv
He really does not fit the diagnostic profile for someone on the Autism Spectrum. This is what where we now classify Asperger's. I would classify him more as a person with an anxiety disorder, like Social Anxiety. He can overcome his anxiety at times. If he had an Autism Spectrum Disorder, he would not be able to overcome it, at times, and connect with Louisa and James the way he does.
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This is what I was thinking. I deal with people who have Asperger's, and, while they do love people, they have no idea how to think like the majority of the population.
Someone is over-weight? It seems perfectly normal to just say, "How do you ever find clothes in your size, you are so fat." TO them this is no more than saying, "You look good in pink." Both are merely observations, and they cannot see that one of them is wrong.
Agreed, privatepracticedoc! Martin has been emotionally damaged by his awful childhood, as well as by the betrayal of his first wife, who slept around with many of his colleagues. No wonder he feels wary of other doctors, whom he finds difficult to trust.
I live with someone who was a victim of child abuse, then who later suffered gaslighting in a work situation. This person is wary around others, hates most social interaction and often exhibits extreme impatience. I accept much of Martin's behavior (though I don't condone it), since I'm so familiar with it.
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Hi greenegg,
I am so sorry about your friend's experiences. Experiences like that will make life very difficult. There is help available, but that is totally up to the person who has been victimized. There is also help for the people who are living with these victims of abuse. The entire situation is very tragic.
As far as Martin is concerned, he has been severely damaged. But underneath the gruff, off putting facade you can see a caring, gentle person who is struggling to trust and love.
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Thanks so much for your kind words, privatepracticedoc. We've had good and bad therapeutic experiences. My friend's family includes people with schizophrenia, bi-polar, personality disorders and many other mental health issues. She is terrified of medication after seeing some of their experiences, though we have tried a few meds that unfortunately did not work for her. As long as therapists do not mention medication, she sometimes works with them (she trained as a counselor years ago before returning to her Humanities-themed doctoral studies years ago). After her retirement, we really struggled until we worked with two therapists who helped her with her issues, then helped me to learn some strategies for dealing with daily living.
It took a couple years for those lessons to sink in, but we do much better now. I have had a fantastic therapist for several years, who really anchors me and even works with both of us as needed. I was in a support group for about a year, which also helped. After that, I found others' problems overwhelming me, so I stopped. These days, we have worked out a system (always adjusting as necessary) where we try to avoid triggers by handing off difficult people to the one who doesn't have a problem. We nurture ourselves with plenty of cultural and research expeditions. We often keep to ourselves (we live far from family and friends) and pursue our scholarly and creative projects. Others think we're odd, etc., but this system works for us. I'm fortunate enough to have some family members who understand and empathize.
I agree with you about Martin; he really is a good person just hiding behind his gruffness. My friend is the same way.
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I agree that he's not a true Narcissist. But some of the things he does make him seem like one. He acts "entitled" when around other doctors or in medical settings, which I chalk up to his being a surgeon. Everyone used to kowtow to him, but not anymore, so it angers him.
Also, he seems to put most of his needs above those of others, not because he lacks compassion, but because he is crippled emotionally into only thinking about what he wants to accomplish, such as the time he takes that woman for a CT scan against Edith's orders and shoves everyone out of the way so he can go through first.
I think this is mainly a defense mechanism to maintain his sense of self when he sees others as encroaching on his "territory". He was never given the normal type of confidence that a healthy, loving family would have done.
Doc might succeed with therapy but by then, he may well be 100 years old!
Don't get me wrong...
It might be unbelievable,
But let's not say so long
Martin is such an intelligent Doctor that he can't tolerate people who are so far below him intellectually. Also, when he knows what's wrong with a patient he wants to treat them and get everything done quickly. He can't stand people wasting time by having tea and doing all the small little niceties people do to be cordial. He can't stand it! He's not one for small talk.
shareI've noticed his attitudes in a lot of doctors, they can't become too close with patients,of course I don't know how they act with friends and family or others outside of work, but there many doctors who act like him while at work so to speak.
shareHe seems to be a man who, as a result of his life experiences, has lost patience with nonsense, including silly social conventions, and has no time for fools. This does not make him a narcissist.
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