Amazing Movie


What pathetic slobs we all have become. Mom's and Dad's both working while someone else raises the kids. A bygone era with remembrance and nostalgia. The days of the super-moms are over. The only ones that I know that try to keep it together while working are psychotic. The ones that I know that stay home with their two whole kids are so in need of a break that they hand the two screaming spoiled brats to dad as soon as he steps in the door. There are no more families that are normal anymore. Stay at home mom's nowadays have been spoiled by every possible automatic this and that. Women's liberation was good, but there is no replacing a good mother and housewife for a housefull of kids. Most families that were large that I knew about a generation ago were run like army camp. Many dad's were respected and tougher than nails. Now they are just idiots, that are the dumbest one's in the family. Mom's are wimps, antidepressant filled, and are ready for a divorce at the drop of a hat. Some just leave. I know a man with five kids under 10(a nice guy, good bread winner, easy going)...his wife just left! All of them! There is no more toughness from either men or women.

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Gosh, you sound very disillusioned Cathy! And you can't really generalize like that. There are still plenty of normal families, but we only seem to ever get to hear about the bad ones. I know of quite a few mothers who happily stay at home with their kids, and many others who would - if society and their personal needs didn't put the expectations on them to go out to work. Life has changed a lot since the 1950s/60s, and not always for the best. But I feel sure that most parents still just want the best for their families... it's our natural instinct. Times may change, but our basic needs don't. Constant pressure from the media to be more successful, richer, thinner, prettier etc. etc. doesn't help. We were all so much happier when we had less!

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Brittbevis, you rock!!!!!

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Your right. There are still plenty of normal families. Just not many around here my small world. As a child I remember visiting my uncle's family in Utah. I remember my uncle sitting one of my smaller 12 cousin's down in his lap and litterally saying are you Susie or Julie? They stayed married and all 12 are grown and have families and lead normal lives as far as I know. I look back at my post and was probably in a bad mood. I want what is best for my family... that is for sure. Less is better. That's like Buddism, right, getting rid of all desire, possessions, etc. The media: TV, radio, Sattelite Radio,video games, etc. I was telling my son how reading aloud was the norm before radio and tv. Reading silently with a family was a total waste. This was entertainment. So, many of us have real difficulty reading aloud...hand writing. So much happens mentally when we read aloud especially for the reader. You are seeing the words imagining, intonating, etc. It's an art. Try reading something you have never read to your family (like a classic). I was reading as essay by E. B. White (of Charlotte's Webb fame) to my son called "One more to the Lake" completely impromptu, just trying to get him interested in his book of famous essays while he played Playstation 2. The father and son exchanging places in time and space and the father at the end catching the chill of his mortality. I could not help but tear up and sound like an illiterate by not being able to pronounce words that I have read in my head and not pronounced aloud probably ever. "disillusioned" - without illusion or "unhappy" ... sorry just sounding off.

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"Normal." Are you serious? You walked away from this movie and got nostalgic for the normalcy of underpaid/overworked men, who found solace in alcohol and screamed at their overworked/NONpaid/underappreciated wives?? Normal is a woman staying home, a home that was only owned by the male of the house, and being screamed at by a milkman, with a smile on her face, even though she wasn't the one drinking the milk money away?

And women's liberation is a good thing, but with it, women can't be good mothers or wives? I think women's liberation only means that we can work now, but we still must maintain a household. We may have gotten more in the corporate world, but I believe the average male still hasn't picked up more of a share in the household like he should. Thank god for the automated conveniences that make up for lazy men who STILL pout when they have to work an eight hour day and are forced to "babysit" their own children! And your story of the single dad with five kids... Doesn't break my heart like it did your's. Flip that story with a female being left by her husband and it's so mundaine, no one will even listen.

~*HALF MY HEART IS IN IRAQ!!*~ <---and he helps me around the house when he's home, too! I got a good one!

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Interesting. The road to a true 50/50 between men and women doesnt seem any better now than it was then, but we can only go by our own experiences. Personally I have experienced more women around me in the last 10 years doing what men used to do, so I doubt there is a mundane 'standard' anymore. Like I said we can only go by what we experience. My Mother was a TROOPER in what she did with what she had, and what she had to deal with. I think that might be why its still such a shock when I keep seeing male relatives, friends, and co-workers dealing with that same problems now that women had to deal with. I wonder, too, what effect it will have on their kids?

Women either doing NOTHING in the home, or just leaving the family entirely like they could care less. The funniest is when I saw two of these women recently--when they WERE around--complaining (1) there was no clean laundry b/c the guy hadnt fixed the washer yet so HE could do her wash while she was bar hopping, and (2) another one flipping out because the car wasnt fixed yet---because he was making the kids dinner after work while she goes playing on the computer!! Thats just in the last few weeks Im using as an example, but has been common around me. I feel sorry for those guys in the same way I did for my female relatives growing up, theyre similar situations. So now the man is still expected to fill out his traditional roles of bread-winner/repairman/etc AND do the housework, while these women think just being a bread-winner is more than enough and wont fill out THEIR traditional roles--a true reversal that still hurts the family. Double standards are lousy for either sex, and its a shame we seemed to have muddled it even further.

We have to go by individuals now, we cant generalise. Maybe the O.P. had an experience where it seemed more balanced back then, then it does now? Most people are just the same as we were back then--only now its mixed. There are men still doing the same bad things as back then, but now there are women doing the same exact thing.


"Are you righteous? Kind? Does your confidence lie in this? Are you loved by all? Know that I was, too. Do you imagine your suffering will be any less because you loved goodness and truth?" - Corporal Fife, in Malicks' philosophical masterpiece 'The Thin Red Line' (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120863/)

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I thought this was a great film. I am only sorry I didn't see it in its original theatrical release. Maybe I was stuck home being a stay-at-home Mom. Like my mother, I have both worked and stayed home with kids, not one or the other. The thing we have today are choices. Owing to Julianne Moore's performance, it seems that she had a choice and chose to stay. ("He lost his voice but I still have mine." or something like that.)

I just do not think that smiling through a husband/father's daily and costly alcoholic freak-out is a good role model, even though it appeared that everyone turned out all right. Out of ten children, it seems that at least one would marry or be an alcoholic.

"Two more swords and I'll be Queen of the Monkey People." Roseanne

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Owing to Julianne Moore's performance, it seems that she had a choice and chose to stay.


Though she had strength, I really do not think she felt she had a choice. So her own strength was limited to "coping". I think she felt her only spiritual escape was through her children, mainly Tuff (Terry) (which was projectism which may be satisfying but is not real).

Of course this is Terry's view we are seeing.

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