Bringing New Life to Old Series


Whether one wishes the new ABC series is like the old NBC series or will the new ABC series be more accurately based on Laura Ingalls Wilder's books than the original NBC series many fans are excited about this new rendition. Does anyone remember the "Beyond the Prairie" TV movies that did their own twist on Laura Ingalls Wilder's books. Her books are historical fiction and were written to convey how life was back in the "early settler" years.
Bringing about this new series will reintroduce a new generation to the Laura Ingalls Wilder book series and encourage reading and history. Laura Ingalls Wilder's life is shared by 8 different museums of which are located at the sites she lived. Preserving history is important and this new series will just encourage others to visit the sites and keep Laura's legacy alive.

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When exactly is this airing?

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Pacific, at least.

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ABC, tonight (March 26) is the 2 hour premiere event thing. There will be one hour episodes on the following four Saturday nights, April 2, 9, 16, & 23.




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Her books are not fiction --- they are about her experiences, making them autobiographies. Granted, she probably had to embellish details, as no one can remember everything that was said or done, but still, I would not classify them as fiction.

I had heard this new series was to be more faithful to the books. I have been watching it for only fifteen minutes and am already disappointed by the departures taken and the lack of a tone that fits Wilder's writing style. Laura and Mary seem bratty. Caroline would not likely have worn earrings, and seems much too outspoken. The first scene does not even occur in the books. And Jack should be a bulldog, not an Australian shepherd!
I'll continue watching the series to see if it gets better, but the first impression doesn't seem promising.
Hope I don't put a damper on anyone who enjoys it. I'm just a stickler about maintaining the details of a story when creating a film version of a book, especially one so beloved.

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I'm almost 3/4 through the movie and my impression is that it's a more realistic look at how it might have been for them. Sure the movie is a bit slow but honestly, so were the books. Even though this movie strays from the books a bit, it's still more true to the actual storyline than the NBC series ever was. I just read the books again this winter so it's all fresh in my head. Needless to say, I'm a fan of this new rendention.

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I agree with you spitfire. I grew up on Little House and read every single book. I've probably seen every single episode of the TV series. I don't think there is one movie out there based on a book that follows the book exactly. This Little House movie comes the closest to her books though.

Everyone complains about the music and true, I find the popular music doesn't quite fit. However, I don't mind the orchestral score that much. It's okay. Not outstanding but sweet. Sounds like a musical score written for a made for TV movie. Imagine that.

So many people claim they are so dissappointed in this remake but disappointed compared to what? So far, this is the best one I've seen. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the rest.

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I know what you mean sarapie, I noticed 2 other goofs, now I could be thinking of the series and not the book but I thought Laura and Mary found the beads when Charles took them to see the old indian campsite, not Laura finding the bead by herself and the part twords the end when Laura and Charles were on the horse being followed by the wolves, I don't remember Laura being with him in the book version and in the book version the wolves ran along side him but did'nt do anything, they did'nt attack him like in the movie. Also where was Carrie?

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Carrie wasn't born until they got to Kansas. I'm sure she'll show up in the next few weeks. When the first book was written, Laura didn't have plans to write more books, show she included Carrie in the first book.

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The books are indeed properly classified as historical fiction. Laura's daughter Rose, a journalist, acted as Laura's editor, and some say, her collaborator. She taught Laura to shape a story from the most interesting vantage point. Since people's lives from day to day don't usually make good plots, some editorial changes had to be done.

Entire events in the Little House series occur out of sequence. Most of "Little House in the Big Woods" occurs after the events in "Little House on the Prairie," because the family moved back to Wisconsin after having to leave Kansas. However, LIW didn't think there would be an entire series of books after the first. So Carrie first appears in "Big Woods." To maintain continuity in the sequel, "Prairie," Carrie moves with the family to the Kansas prairie, where she was actually born. In fact, Carrie's age in the first few books is extremely unclear. She seems much younger than Laura and Mary, when in fact she's only about two and a half years younger than Laura.

And that's not the only age game LIW plays. Not wanting to emphasize the ten year age difference between her and her husband, she simply knocks five years off his age. The creates the problem of him not being legally old enough to take up a claim. I believe her solution is for Almanzo to simply not disclose his age to the homesteading office. They never ask. He doesn't tell. (I might be remembering that wrong. I'll go dig out my series. But I'm sure of the change in age.)

Another fictional device LIW uses is composite characters. Nellie Oleson is actually a composite of three separate people. Mr Edwards may also be more than one actual person. This device lends continuity to the series and gives some privacy to those people unflatteringly characterized.

Lastly, in a move that seems to be a direct influence from Rose, Laura often inserts herself into scenes where she can better tell the story. In "Big Woods," Ma goes out to milk the cow and encounters a bear and slaps it, not realizing in the dark it's a bear. (Again, my memory might be failing. If it's not this scene, it's a very similar one.) Originally, Laura watched this scene from the window of the house. But writing about watching something isn't very interesting. So Laura inserts herself into the scene and goes with Ma so that the reader will be more involved in the action.

There have been several biographers who have tried to capture the details of LIW's life--what she missed, omitted, or misremembered. Most of them are intersting complements to the series. There are also some some books about LiW's writing and identity as a writer. "Becoming Laura Ingalls Wilder" isn't too bad.

In any case, I hope this TV series gets a little better. I like many of the realistic details such as the windblown hair, the weathered canvas, the sameness of clothing. But anytime someone tries to depict the books on film, something gets messed up. The earring comment was important, since Ma seemed to consider it immodest to show her ears. I also imagine Ma and both girls would be wearing sunbonnets, as Ma keeps telling Laura to do all throughout the series. And then there's just stuff that strays from the books, like fighting off wolves with one's bare hands and shooting horses and all that. Is the series going to be just about the Kansas house, or will we see more of the books than just "Little House on the Prairie?" IMHO, "Prairie" is the least interesting of the series. LIW was just three when she lived in Kansas and Pa, Ma, and Mary were all dead by the time she began to write any of her books. She had to dig through some history to piece together what happened with the Indians and settlers at this time. It probably contains the least of her actual memories. I would have much rather seen "Little House in the Big Woods" because it has so much potential for more characters and fun events such as Christmas and sugaring-off dances. But the series isn't over and I don't know much about it. Maybe it will still happen.

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You are absolutely correct, sayhellokitty.

I've always wished someone who just take the books and make a miniseries out of them without altering them. They are beloved for a reason. They have been loved since they were originally printed, nearly 80 years ago. They need nothing more than to be followed.

that whole "attacking wolf" scene has me irritated for a number ofreasons.

First of all, Charles wouldn't have taken Laura with him when he traded work. Secondly, it misses the entire point of the event: This area is so wild that the creatures in it haven't yet learned to fear man. It was one of the things Charles liked best.

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There is nothing more dull than a post that merely says "way to go!" or "I agree" to the posters before, but accer took the words right out of my mouth regarding Pa and the wolves. He would no more have taken 3 1/2 year-old Laura to help build the wildcat's cabin than Ma would have sent her into the Indians' camp to borrow a cup of cornmeal. Sheesh.

And sayhellokitty is another true scholar of LIW and her books. I tip my sunbonnet to you! I am a moderator on a general interest message board and mentioned a few weeks back that this miniseries would soon be airing. Oh, everyone was so excited, and I optimisticlly noted that I thought this presentation would be more faithful to the books than the Gospel According to Landon. One of our other members lives just 20 miles from Laura and Almanzo's home in Mansfield, MO. She knows the books and Laura's own history be heart. She is a coach who has taught many, many Ingalls descendents over the years.

Together we straightened everyone out, or tried to, on the the real truths in the books.

The Caroline in this series looks like the Sweetheart of Sigma Chi at Iowa State U, and Pa reminds me of Bruce Greenwood with a three-day growth of beard instead of the somewhat grizzled frontiersman Charles Ingalls really was. And has been said before, those are only superficial departures from the wonderful narrative Laura left behind and which is so beloved the world over.

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The Ingalls girls had no descendants so how can this person living in Mansfield MO have coached any?

Charles Ingalls's brothers had descendants but they almost entirely stayed in Wisconsin.

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They would make a great Broadway play!

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"I've always wished someone who just take the books and make a miniseries out of them without altering them. They are beloved for a reason. They have been loved since they were originally printed, nearly 80 years ago. They need nothing more than to be followed. "

I agree. I was very excited about this miniseries, as everything I had read on it billed as closely following the books. While I recognize a lot of the events, some of it is clearly made up. Little things that I don't see the need to change. I am enjoying the show a lot, but I'm another who wishes it was closer to the books.

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I always thought that Little House in the Big Woods was the most interesting, with Farmer Boy coming in second. I don't know why these are never made into movies or tv series. There would be so much to work with.

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Thanks for your comments! All right, after some thought, I guess that from a filming point of view, it wouldn't be very practical to wear a sunbonnet because it hides so much of the wearer's face. But they could at least have them hanging down their backs or show them in some distance shots.

Does anyone know about what happened to film plans for "The Long Winter?" I guess it was considered well before the Landon series, but was abandoned. That would be great drama, and very little would need to be changed to make it cinematic.

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Don't forget, Michael Landon had then wearing bonnets! He didn't seem to find a problem filming them wearing the bonnets and still showing their faces.

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Thanks for the additional info. I never heard before about the extent to which Laura changed things when she wrote. Even knowing that, I am still uncomfortable with the writers of the show changing the original work of a beloved author. We could watch any made-up prairie story if we were looking simply for more realism. I think many fans of the books would like to see a series or movie that truly adheres as closely as possible to Laura's words and sequence of events. Since it was her life, only she had the right to edit it for literary purposes, imo.
I thought the second episode was a little better, but the differences still annoy me when there doesn't seem to be a specific, important reason to change them.
I did not like the portrayal of Pa as rather an idiot on horseback during the cowboy scenes. Or the insertion of untrue statements such as Laura wanting to be teacher, as she said over and over she didn't want to but had to. And of course the addition of modern, pc ideas like "a girl can be a cowboy too".

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Sorry to say, Laura Ingalls Wilder even refers to her stories as fiction. They are catalogued as Historical Fiction (some items are true, others modified to fit the time period through research)

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Whether or not the stories are fictional or not, I think one huge problem with the series was its depiction of wolves as blood thirsty creatures that stalked human prey on the prairie. Any serious biologist or conservationist should be appalled by the depiction presented in this tv movie. There are no documented cases of wolves ever attacking humans on the North American continent. Other than this the series was okay. However, the Mr. Edwards character in this version took away from the show, whereas in the original series the character made the show.

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We can all agree that it is a very rare occasion for a book to be followed faithfully. In regards to the whole wolf thing...Edwards DID give charles some jerky before they left. Which could precipitate the attack. (even if that isn't at all what happened in reality.) As somone posted earlier, these were recollections and composites written 60 years after they occured.

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I really loved the original series but there were many things that were not just up to snuff as far as fact and the way life of the author went!

I know for a fact that although Mary was really blind She never married and never had children she never left home and lived with her parents untill their deaths then live with her sisters!

There are no mountians in Minnasota yet you always see mountians on the show!

The Ingalls family was actually in Walnut Grove a short time but I assume the series would not have lasted 10+ years if they had followed the books Verbatum!

I love Cameron Bancroft and hope that this show last long enough to allow us to see if they will follow the books closer that the NBC series! Without the original cast it may be a problem but I am willing to give this show a chance!I hope you will be too!

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I read the initial review of the movie and watching three out of four weeks I really don't know what the big deal is about those who have a problem with this version of the story.

All this version is, is the original story spread out over five hours instead on 93 minutes which was as long as the original pilot was.

For the most part the new version has added some scenes and a few neighbors not in the original film. These additions don't hurt the story by straying from the orignal story. Actually this version tells a better account of the Ingalls family than in the original as it isn't rushed and on a smaller budget.

This version is a tad more intense and shows how hard it was to be settlers. Crossing rivers, showing patients with the Native Americans, living off the land. Every day was a struggle to survive and to live and see the same people day after day had to be trying to keep your sanity.

The original was fine and did set the tone for this version. But was ham strung to tell the entire story in the course of 93 minutes. You can't have feelings about this one unless you liked the original.

The spirit of the orginal one is felt in this retelling. I liked both. I'm not caught up with the music or changes in wardrobe. For the most part the show looks authentic and I enjoy the relationships in the film. I can't complain like some.

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I agree. As a big fan of the books and a few points aside, I found this a much more faithful adaptation. Especially in showing the hardships the pioneers faced.

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my question is,is laura ingalls wilder's books fact or all fiction.which parts of her books are true?

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I don't think they were total fact. Some of the timeline was different and some characters such as Nellie Olsen were in fact based on several characters and not a real person.


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