So which girl did he sleep with?
I understood the movie and everything, but I never really understood the whole sex scene. Did Donna meet him disguised as a different person so she could sleep with him? or what?
shareI understood the movie and everything, but I never really understood the whole sex scene. Did Donna meet him disguised as a different person so she could sleep with him? or what?
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this part confused me too, because when he sees himself and Connie on the bed while wathching the scanner, it changes to Donna for a moment (he replays it in slow motion 3-D several times so she switches back and forth). I think you're right that it was Connie the whole time, and his perception was just so screwy that he even saw the distortion in the replays.
shareYeah he saw on teh replay several times Donna... that was kinda crazy... but the girl took the substance D, and Donna(knowing the effects) wouldnt take them...
shareDonna also didn't wanna have sex with him.
I am the Queen of your world
Then why did Connie ask him for the tooth brush? That's why I began to think it was Donna, because she was gonna go throw it up to keep herself from actually taking it without making her fingers smell like puke.... but that scene is just a mind **** all together.
"...history from this moment forward is yours to make."
The Nightwatchman
Why didn't Donna want to sleep with him?
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it was connie, but by then he was so far gone he thought it was DonnaWhen there's no more room in hell, The dead will walk the earth...
Yeah, this one's really got me confused. I don't see why the scanner would show the crazy hallucination he had in bed. I understand Donna wouldn't sleep with him because she was using him covertly -- the whole touch aversion was a ruse. But the scene as shown is confusing. If they'd shown his boss reviewing the same footage later and ONLY seeing the blonde he slept with, that would make it clear the guy was totally gone by imagining the tranformation was on the tape, too.
The only real "error" I saw in the whole story.
I suspected that the tapes he was viewing had been pre-edited by his boss, and maybe that's how the tranformation appeared on the tape, too. But how would the boss know he had that vision? Just confusing.
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I think I know the reason why the image shifts between Connie and Donna;
The button he presses on the machine has 'rate' written on it; there is more than that, but 'rate' suggests to me some sort of refresh rate, that is, how many times a second the display is updating the picture.
Now, a lower rate means less images in a set span of time for the brain to process the image in front of it; a higher rate makes a more 'solid' picture because of a higher refresh rate.
At a lower rate, if the image at all becomes less defined, even very very slightly, then his brain has more liberty to suggest what is there based on its own bias, rather than submitting strictly to the energy signals received by his eyes.
So, at a high rate, he sees Connie; reality. There is too much 'evidence' for his brain to say otherwise.
But, at a low rate, his brain more easily slips in his own conciousness into what he is seeing - he madly wants to sleep with Donna, so it is Donna who he sees.
If you think of the 'rate' as meaning the gap inbetween 1 picture being displayed, and the next picture, and also assume that the technology in question works by firing the same image again and again (like a CRT monitor or TV screen), then a lower rate means -more empty space- inbetween image refreshes. That empty space is where his brain goes, hey, what's there? It must be Donna.
At a high rate, the empty spaces are shorter, and the real images more evident.
Following from there, perhaps the reason he saw Donna when he woke up was because he was still half-asleep, and his brain was not correctly registering the images presented to it. Once he woke up and became more alert, the brain caught up and saw what was really there.
That's my theory, anyway; I'm almost certain my scanner explanation is correct, as I cannot think of another explanation for the phenomenom.
Re: Why did the scanner continue to show the crazy hallucination he had in bed?
Keep in mind the name of the film, and the internal monologue that Arctor has at one point toward the end of the film:
"Whatever it is that's watching, it's not human, unlike little dark eyed Donna. It doesn't ever blink. What does a scanner see? Into the head? Down into the heart? Does it see into me, into us? Clearly or darkly? I hope it sees clearly, because I can't any longer see into myself. I see only murk. I hope for everyone's sake the scanners do better. Because if the scanner sees only darkly, the way I do, then I'm cursed and cursed again. I'll only wind up dead this way, knowing very little, and getting that little fragment wrong too."
Arctor realizes his mental stability and perceptual skills are staring to collapse as a result of Sub-D abuse and that he's only seeing the world "darkly". He wonders whether the scanners can be perfect observational machines (seeing clearly, able to show Arctor what is a hallucination and what's real, and what's going on inside his own mind and heart since he doesn't know anymore) or whether they're clouded by the perception of the human that uses them (darkly). That explains why Arctor's brain damage continues to affect everything he sees, even things videotaped and on freeze-frame. I interpret the scene as being Connie naked on the holo all along, but his brain damage and fixation on Donna causes the hallucination to continue. And yes, Arctor's scanner sees darkly, and he is cursed to permanent brain-damage and cursed to only knowing a small fragment of the investigations into Barris and the New Path that he got dragged into.
I think you're on the wrong path if you try to figure this out logically. That scene is a question, not an answer. It is an open paradoxon, like those Zen riddles, a question without an answer that is supposed to get you thinking. And that question is: "What does a scanner see?" Think about this question - it's impossible to answer. We can't know what a technical application would see, because everything WE see as recorded by that application will again be perceived through our subjective apparatus of perception. So in the end we can always only know what we see, but will never be able to make a definite statement about what the scanner might REALLY see.
Of course you can interpret this as an effect of Arctor's disturbed vision, and that's one of the aspects hinted on in the narration, but if you analyze this scene closer you can see a deeper subtext to it. By fowarding and rewinding the 3D graphic of Connie transforming into Donna, the film makes a clear dependence of the transformation to the technical apparatus of the scanner. Arctor is REWINDING his vision. So there is a connection that's beyond Arctor's disturbed perception, because the mechanics of the scanner should be objective.
As mentioned before, if the scanner had shown the recording without the vision, it would be clear that it was Arctor's error in seeing Donna instead of Connie, thus emphasizing that the scanner was right and Arctor wrong. But that is not the case. The scanner seems to be as wrong (or as right?) as Arctor. Any interpretation blaming only Arctor on the perceived transformation thus acknowlidges that the scanner is an objective representant of our reality and couldn't be wrong, because it's a machine, and machines don't make mistakes. But that is clearly not the point of the movie, if you think back at the impossible question: What does a scanner see?
People always make the mistake to think this film is just about drugs, but it's also about modern (and future?) surveillance technology and the paranoia rising from it, the loss of identity from watching, being watched and THINKING of being watched, and that's what that question is aimed at. Watch the film again to see how omnipresent that theme is, even in the seemingly senseless and humourous drug talk.
By the way, the idea of questioning the objectivity of recording technology is another reason this film was done rotoscoping. Because it questions the old assumption that photography and photographic film give us an objective, realist representation of whatever has been filmed/photographed. As it is impossible to answer the question "What does a scanner see?", or cleary answer with whom Arctor slept in that scene, it is also impossible to state what kind of images we have in a rotoscoped film, when we paint over actors' performances. When we draw over the actor's performance, do we still have the actor performing? When the eye of a movie camera is a scanner, what does that scanner see?
And to emphasize the most important point again: It'd not important to answer, it's important to question.
Great post, tobi-lyton. I agree with everything you said and that's why I love this movie and want to read the book.
shareThat being: are those actually Winona Ryder's boobs? or just an animated version? or something in between? I MUST know! (I know - pathetic.)
shareFrom my understanding, they were Lisa Marie Newmyer's (the actress who played Connie.)
Honey tastes sweeter when you anger the bees.
Okay, but they change in size and shape when she goes from Newmeyer to Ryder, so...when it's Connie nude onscreen, is that in fact Winona Ryder nude (or, rather, an animated version of her that, assumedly, is modeled on reality)?
shareYeah, if they'd made it really obvious, it could have been a popular film.
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