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What is missing in this film ... ??? I just don't find the answer :-(


Hi folks,

I have been scratching my head ever since I watched LoW 2 days ago. I like this film, but I have the intriguing feeling that something is missing. But I just can't seem to find what it is ...

Maybe you can help me find out?

It's bizarre, because the film reunites so many elements I do like.

* I like Nic Cage and think he does an excellent job in his role.
* I like the dialogue and voice off (outstanding and ironic)
* I like the setting. I like films set in Africa, and the film reminds of Blood Diamond which I adored (I think I gave it a 10).
* I like the genre.
* I like symbolism and moral questions (both of which constitute the backbone of this film).


... and still, I find LoW a bit ... empty. Somehow a bit clinical. A clean, surgical film project. Although the film shows to a certain extent the blunt reality: Aids in Africa, gun trade, violence, etc.

On the other hand, I didn't find Blood Diamond "empty". But what is the difference between those 2 films? Why is LoW empty?

Thanks for your help.

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Nudity

Also, I liked Lord of War better than Blood Diamond but Blood Diamond is a damn fine movie as well.

Tonight I gotta cut loose, footloose
Kick off your Sunday shoes

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Blood diamond wraps things up with a nice happy ending. Lord of War, on the other hand, leaves us with the brutal reality that there were no happy endings, that everything was going to go on exactly as it had been.

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the film [Lord of War] reminds of Blood Diamond which I adored (I think I gave it a 10).


While i also liked Blood Diamond quite a bit, which i gave a 9/10 to, i think Lord of War (10/10 (one of the few films i would classify as a masterpiece). there is not a single film out there that i could CLEARLY choose over it) is definitely the better/more entertaining film if you ask me.

but i did notice on my first viewing of each film i liked Blood Diamond more but Lord of War grew stronger and stronger with each viewing and now it's one of my top top films.

Lord of War is just great. some nice moments in the film, has a great (original) soundtrack which really adds to the mood/tone of it. it's solid visually. plus i like how it all plays out. nice ending (even though it did not end happy) as i liked the scene with Cage/Hawke at the end etc etc.

p.s. Andrew Niccol is definitely my favorite non-big name director out there. i am looking forward to his 'In Time' which is due out Oct of this year which i suspect will be comfortably in my Top 10 of 2011 and probably Top 5-ish.

and still, I find LoW a bit ... empty. Somehow a bit clinical. A clean, surgical film project. Although the film shows to a certain extent the blunt reality: Aids in Africa, gun trade, violence, etc.

On the other hand, I didn't find Blood Diamond "empty". But what is the difference between those 2 films? Why is LoW empty?


Well as was already said... Lord of War does not end on a happy note where as Blood Diamond pretty much does.

i think that's probably what gives you that 'empty' feeling. (but i also think that's part of what makes it great)



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I don't like happy endings either, ... well at least if they are forced. So that didn't bother me at all. I was speaking about the whole movie, not just the ending.

Again, I find it somehow surgical and empty ...

I think now I know why it feels so empty. It's the little things in life, which are important and make it complete.

It doesn't feel real. It gives me the impression that director/writer had studied the topic a bit, but has never had real-life experiences in that field. The film all but shouts out loud "hey, I have been written by middle/upper class men on a safe desk far, far away, trying hard to picture what's going on out there in the real world" ...

The topic is real.
But it is told in a very naive way.


case in point:


11 out of 22 people found the following review useful:
An allegory wrapped up in lies passed off in a deception., 23 August 2008

Author: Alex-Tsander from United Kingdom

*** This review may contain spoilers ***

The Lord of War.

[...] litany of wild factual errors and blatant un-truths. Indeed, some of these are of such magnitude that they even render the production's perspective invalid as a metaphor, let alone something that can be taken literally. Moreover, there are few "cues" to indicate to the unwitting that this is not meant to be taken at face value as a depiction of anything in reality.

This is illustrated by the way that the Cage character is shown being pursued around the globe by Ethan Hawkes "Interpol agent" and his gun toting team. There is no such thing in the real world as an "Interpol agent". Interpol is an information and liaison exchange, it does not employ investigators or field officers of any kind, let alone ones armed to the teeth whizzing into foreign territories around the globe. The "Interpol agent" and his team could, however, be interpreted as a metaphor for the real life pursuit of arms-traders which is an office-based, data-chasing operation by that agency. But there is nothing to indicate to anyone unaware of these facts that the gung-ho "Interpol agent" and his gang are not based in any reality. Therefore, far from operating in the realms of metaphor, it simply becomes a lie.

[...]

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I think it was the narration, there was to much of it. It puts you as a viewer to much 'outside' the story and you experience the film to much as an observer in stead of empathizing with the characters.

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Some actions of the story are developed rapidly. Details that would make movie more deeper are missing. You don't have that "feeling of fullness" that you have, when you watch "Scarface" or even "Blow" for example. But on the whole "Lord of War" is pretty damn good movie.


*Excuse me if I'm using some words in a incorrect form or place, I will start learning English soon.

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The emptiness may be the feeling of horror at how good we've become at stockpiling weapons and still, we need more.

Because we use them.

Yes, many times for good reasons.

But after Aurora,Colorado...

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Yuri should've died at the end.
Proper retribution for his fueling of the genocide.
But you can't kill off a big star like Cage in a $50 mill picture.

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Yuri should've died at the end.
Proper retribution for his fueling of the genocide.
But you can't kill off a big star like Cage in a $50 mill picture.

I'm not sure that's a reason at all. I certainly don't think it would stop Niccol, who seems very independently-minded. It's more cynical and honest if he doesn't die, people don't get what they deserve. Which is why I prefer this to Blood Diamond. It's more biting and subversive, and doesn't even try to offer answers or happy endings, because there aren't any.

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blood diamonds bored me so much i couldn't finish it, i might give it another try just for political reasons. as for this it's more interesting and engaging but i understand your point, it's empty and ineffective. the first half is wasted on documentary narration that killed my imagination, i thought this could have been much better as a documentary. the morals were so confused in the middle i had serious doubts about the filmmakers intentions, at least on subconscious level. i need to watch it again to put my finger on it, but not soon.

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you probably should compare it to scarface to know what's wrong with it.

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It could very well be the color grading. Lord of War feels clinical because it looks clinical: lots of blues and grays, whereas Blood Diamond's color grading is far more natural and doesn't have that 'cold metal' feel.

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