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With modern day forensics

posted 16 years ago by rdetjen
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How did he get away with it? Seriously, the way forensics is now how could he walk away with having been involved with that shoot out? I know he cleaned up after himself and all that, but they can get something on the tiniest evidence, and he walks away without a raised eyebrow? I thought that was a little suspicious if you ask me. DNA, fibers from his scarf or coat, or something. I just thought it was awfully pat that he got away with it. He was even acting suspicious, but that could be becuase I knew he'd been involved.

[–] tresh_to 16 years ago

same way he went from total sucka to a hitman

[–] scollnik 16 years ago

I guess there was no reason for the police to be suspicious. As the cop on the scene said, a security guard interrupted a mugging / rape and everyone was shot (and mostly killed) in the resulting shoot-out.

The one bad guy (the fake rapist) who lived, I guess he corroborated the story.

Think about it, if that guy said anything else and tried to involve the husband, then he would have to explain why the husband was there gunning for him. Which means he would be serving time for the other crimes he committed (like killing Dexter, I think it was, the black guy from the mail room). Better for him to agree with the cops as to how it went down.

[–] feedercantbebad 16 years ago

This point you made rdetjen is bang on the money, exactly what I thought. How can Clive's character be at all these crime scenes and forensics not pick up on ANYTHING?!??! Like you said a hair strand, a fibre from his clothing etc would be all it takes. Think scollnik even though the police had their 'ideas' about how the shootings all transpired, forensics are obligated to sweep the room as it is a crime scene and aren't supposed to ever assume / rule anything out.

Good movie but few plot holes.

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[–] steveb_007 16 years ago

Wouldn't his prints have been on the inside door handles of winstons car passenger and driver doors, and on the guns in the hotel room???

[–] riverwalk 14 years ago

''Wouldn't his prints have been on the inside door handles of winstons car passenger and driver doors, and on the guns in the hotel room???''

if his prints were found on the car that would have been no significance as he and winston were known to be friends and go drinking together.Plus they prob did'nt have his prints on record ever so the prints would have been useless,remember they can only match prints or semen or any of your dna found if its already on their files-and for this to be so then you have to have been in trouble b4 with the law.Clive owen had a clean record-dna is not the be all and end all in solving crime.It only works if they can find a match for it.Plus it was a motel room-public place,there would have been loads of people's dna on the scene. Bottom line is that i could go out a rob a bank,murder a man and rape a woman tomorrow and leave my semen, hair and prints all over the scenes but as long as i have a mask on and not witnessed by any1 the dna they find is useless unless i get arrested in the future.

[–] SagittalSpatula 14 years ago

In a sketchy area like that, where crimes like this likely happen quite frequently, do you think the police would even bother with forensics, especially if they figured they knew what had happened?

[–] hnt_dnl 14 years ago

I think they would only go the extra mile (DNA, more digging, etc.) if they thought the crime involved more than had happened that one night. They didn't suspect that it was in connection to anything. They thought they had it figured out already. It was kind of a seedy motel, too, right? Crimes probably happen there all the time.

[–] NeitherHearNorTheir 14 years ago

I think they would only go the extra mile (DNA, more digging, etc.) if they thought the crime involved more than had happened that one night. They didn't suspect that it was in connection to anything. They thought they had it figured out already. It was kind of a seedy motel, too, right? Crimes probably happen there all the time.

Exactly.

These CSI shows make it look like all murders are investigated a certain way, when most departments don't have the budget or manpower to perform those types of investigations, especially when they have no reason to suspect something different.

[–] Mudvayne6182 14 years ago

Well, first of all, if you leave your House. You're pretty much guaranteed to pick up about 50 different persons' DNA on your shoes. You have that contaminating any possible crime scene you're involved in. Then the odds of finding a strand of the perps hair. Especially in a place like that motel, is enormously minuscule. Then you have the trouble of a DNA test taking at best, 5 days to come back. That's assuming the perp is even IN the DNA Database.

People who watch CSI really have no clue. The "Science" on those shows, and pretty much every other Cop Drama. Is nothing more than Hollywood smoke and mirrors. Less than 1/10th of all Murders have DNA proof. Even less than that are conclusive enough to go to trial with.

Most crimes are solved with old-fashioned police work.

[–] riverwalk 14 years ago

People would actually be suprised how little and useless cops can be in crimes,my house was robbed last year with a large sum of property taken and the cops did nothing,they came to take prints but something happened[cant really remember] and they said the evidence was destroyed or something,me and my housemate knew who did it and told the cops who it was and we even had alot of evidence and knew ways in which the person did it but they never followed up on it and did'nt question the person,i tried to get in touch with them again and they were of 0 help. My friend had the same problem,she had damage done to her car,she knew the culprits and gave their names and address to the cops but they never followed up on it.

[–] j-curl 10 years ago

Charles fingerprints would have to be in the database for that to work. It's very likely Charles had never been arrested as an adult, so his fingerprints wouldn't be in the DNA database for them to link him at the scene.