"But life for women in America TODAY is pretty damn good, and if you don't like it, leave. Go somewhere where women have to walk 10 feet behind a man, and can only leave the house with a male accompaniment."
I don't understand your logic are you saying we should just stop trying to progress as a country because other countries are worse and we should just be glad were not like them? Are you telling me that right now if a less qualified male mechanic gets hired over for a more qualified female mechanic she should just buy a one way ticket to afganistan?
You cannot be so naive that you actually think everyone is considered equal in this country and all is right. Everyone may be equal under the law but there are still people in this country who believe women are useless in the workforce and should stay at home. You might say so what? those people are ignorant rednecks living in the backwoods who cares what they think. But some of them are police officers, firefighters, doctors, CEOs, politicians... men with a lot of power in society, men who make hiring decisions, men who decide an employees salary, and men who might even resort to intimidation to make sure a woman doesn't "take" their job. Feminism means promoting EQUALITY between men and women. I'm not angry with society or men it's the people who put women down and reduce them to meat that piss me off. The fact is women still make less then men.
"In the report, Behind the Pay Gap, the AAUW Educational Foundation found that just one year after college graduation, women earn only 80 percent of what their male counterparts earn. Ten years after graduation, women fall further behind, earning only 69 percent of what men earn. Even after controlling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors known to affect earnings, the research indicates that one-quarter of the pay gap remains unexplained and is likely due to sex discrimination. Over time, the unexplained portion of the pay gap grows."
http://www.aauw.org/newsroom/pressreleases/042307_PayGap.cfm
Also you can say sexism works both ways and ideally it should but you can't argue that it's also legal for a man to make less than a woman for the same job because it's more likely to happen the other way around. And you can't forget the history behind everything, yes we have to move on but we can't forget the past or it'll repeat i'm not saying hold grudges just be aware. The truth is men STILL have more power in society therefore it's harder to accuse women of sexism... thats just how it is.
I know i'm lucky i don't live in afganistan but i'm just saying there always room for improvement. Sorry for the long essay but i also don't take my right of freedom of speech for granted.
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dairypack12
17 years ago
This one movie, I forgot what its called, well, anyways, the main three actors: Al Pacino, Marlon Brando, and Robert Duvall- all oscar winners- have a total of 92 wins and more nominations. The movie is directed by some guy named Francis Ford Coppola, its pretty good....
my movies:http://shadowasu.dvdaf.com/owned
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pwigington1
17 years ago
"You cannot be so naive that you actually think everyone is considered equal in this country and all is right. Everyone may be equal under the law but there are still people in this country who believe women are useless in the workforce and should stay at home. You might say so what? those people are ignorant rednecks living in the backwoods who cares what they think. But some of them are police officers, firefighters, doctors, CEOs, politicians... men with a lot of power in society, men who make hiring decisions, men who decide an employees salary, and men who might even resort to intimidation to make sure a woman doesn't "take" their job. Feminism means promoting EQUALITY between men and women. I'm not angry with society or men it's the people who put women down and reduce them to meat that piss me off. The fact is women still make less then men."
From a legislative standpoint, equality under the law should be all that anyone is given. No one should be given special consideration based on race, gender, sexual preference, religious affiliation, nationality, etc. No amount of legislation will change how a racist, sexist, or whatever -ist, thinks. A leopard can't change its spots, so to speak. Real change is not effected through the leaders of today. It is effected by educating the leaders of tomorrow. A government can pass laws against hate crimes, but it cannot pass laws against hatred. The real progress that the feminist movement has achieved has not been in the passing and enforcing of new laws, but in the education of new leaders. The goal of any rights movement should not be to enact laws to protect oppressed groups. The goal should be to create a society where such groups do not need protection by law.
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realplayer54
17 years ago
What a great thread this is in spite of the fact that it was started talking about awards nominations lol. I think lalara-1's is the best, but you all bring up excellent points.
I just want to add to pwigington's great post and say that true leaders want to create more leaders, not just a bunch of people that respect them.
I spent my entire childhood growing up. What a waste.
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just_the_writer
17 years ago
'You cannot be so naive that you actually think everyone is considered equal in this country and all is right. Everyone may be equal under the law but there are still people in this country who believe women are useless in the workforce and should stay at home. You might say so what? those people are ignorant rednecks living in the backwoods who cares what they think. But some of them are police officers, firefighters, doctors, CEOs, politicians... men with a lot of power in society, men who make hiring decisions, men who decide an employees salary'
Just thought I'd mention - these aren't just men. Women do this too, to my utter shock. Hard to believe one would shame one's own like that, but it happens. I guess if that's the way you're raised, and you have no incentive to change... but it turns my stomach nonetheless.
Anyways, I just thought I'd mention that the fault of gender inequality doesn't rest solely on the shoulders of guilty men.
And, on a happy note, there are clearly lots of men and women who are working for change :P
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