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this movie is anti-Canadian


as I understand it the main character is betrayed by a Canadian who was supposed to help her and then the guy who gave her that message shot her up with insulin (a Canadian invention!)


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No, it is not. Your understanding that it was a Canadian that betrayed her is incorrect. He was a Dutch soldier and a former resistance fighter, not a Canadian soldier. The Canadian army does figure rather prominantly as the liberators of Holland in this movie and some of their actions and 'inaction' is represented here but comes across as a natural result of the confusion brought on by the times immediatley after liberation. It was hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys after the Germans disarmed and took off their uniforms. This created some situations where the wrong decisions were made. See the movie, you'll see. Very good movie by the way.

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So is it anti-resistance then?
I think in some ways it is, it makes the resistance and the BS look like a bunch of cowboys sometimes.
And it doesn't bother to explain many situations.

Go see the movie anyway, but it is not a very good one, its quite a bad one even if you ignore the historical mistakes, the unrealistic scenes and the peculiar storyline.

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The Canadian guy seated behind the desk is powerless to help Muntze, although he obviously wants to. He has to obey a ruling by his superior officer to respect the decisions of German military tribunals. You might as well say that "Patton" is anti-American, since it shows the Americans having to make difficult decisions in Germany in 1945-6, or that "The Third Man" is anti-British.

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I don't know, I wouldn't say it is unrealistic. A lot of people worked for the Resistance, just as many worked for the Nazis. And that Ellis fell in love isn't a big surprise, since despite what he did he was a good man. Well, for a Nazi.

To say this film is anti-Canadian is wrong. It just shows what happens in times of war. The doctor who almost killed Ellis was captured and tortured, broke and started to play for the other side to satisfy his greed: that happened all over the board.

It's like saying Quisling is an anti-Norwegian word, just because it is named after a Norwegian who betrayed his whole country.

It's like saying that Oorlogswinter is anti-Dutch because one of the characters worked for the Nazis, and his nephew shot him.

It's like saying that Chicken Tikka Masala is an insult to Indian food because it has specifically been made for British tastes.

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why do you want to label this movie so much? why does it have to be pro-resistance or anti-resistance? it just shows the messiness of world war two,
where some actions of resistance were succesful, some failes, it was not clear who was to be trusted. There was no black or white, it is much more complicated than that.

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Your stupidity is beyond repair. Is it was sugar, all the Canadian insulin would not help treating it.

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i actually wondered about the whole insulin scene myself, considering insulin was first used to treat diabetes in 1952 after the events in the movie (although it was discovered way before that) interesting though...imma nurse and when i saw this movie i immediatly looked up when diabetes was first tested on ppl

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This movie is more about people than about nationality than most movies about ww2. That's what I liked about it.

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Nice, troll, eh?

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Blame Canada!

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Yeah, I'm sick of it. Every damn movie you see now days has a Canadian villain!

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