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religious people should keep thier mouths shut.

posted 13 years ago by raymondleggs
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I remember wen the film came out everyone was moaing about the original cut when it was screaned, and of course there were the books, people stood outside books a million telling people not to read them I remember people would vandalize the posters stuff.

To be honest I dont see the big deal, a Charachter that used to be a nun said that "christianity is a very convincing mistake" and that a couple of angels were presumably gay and that some angel masqurading as god was murdered and died, god crumbled to dust because he was so old. His spirit however was still alive in the book ,

I only read the subtle knife but I did dread about the plot.

I dont see why it upset so many people that corporate religion as a government was shown in a negitive way. Releigion should be free and people should be allowed to chose what to beleive that wha tthe stories are about.

Extremist religoius people shouldnt be allowed to watch movies they complain without even evaluating the message and ruin it for everybody.

Inb fact I am preparing an ANTI CREATIONIST/INTELLEGENT DESIGN trilogy of my own and at the end the REAL god will die because the fake god killed him and the fake god gets murdered by main charachter. I will either do them as books or movies if I can get enough money to film a movie.

They will go even farther than pullman did with his series.

I beleive in god and stuff but I do think it is correct to criticise a religous institution for all the wrong things it has done and is soing and WILL do in the future,

If it exist it stands up to criticism.

[–] XtroTerrestial 12 years ago

To the kids of these religious zealots: See this movie anyway and watch whatever program/movie, read whatever book, and listen to whatever music you want! Once you turn 18, your idiot parents will no longer be allowed to tell you what to do anymore. I broke contact from my zealots aunt and uncle once I turned 18 and I've been happy ever since!

XTRO Theme: http://youtu.be/pcEeakcNB0k

[–] cmp_gr 12 years ago

I am pretty sure you don't have kids, otherwise you wouldn't like other people to tell them what to do and ignore you, because you are an idiot, would you?

[–] XtroTerrestial 12 years ago

No, I am just fed up with religious zealots always trying to force their opinions on other people, including their kids. Those kids then grow up into zealots too. Therefore, if they ignore their zealot parents now, and grow up normal, there will be less of them in the future, trying to run the show and force their opinions on the next generation.

XTRO Theme: http://youtu.be/pcEeakcNB0k

[–] cmp_gr 12 years ago

They are their kids. They are not your kids. If and when you get your own kids, you can grow them up the way you want. Meantime, you are not entitled to interfere, got it?

[–] XtroTerrestial 12 years ago

Do you know what I have to say to that? Religion had it's run. It is time to let science and common sense lead us into the future.

Oh, yes, and BTW, I just might have a few kids :)

XTRO Theme: http://youtu.be/pcEeakcNB0k

[–] ShotgunRex 11 years ago

LOL. I wow, how tolerant of you. Ironic considering you're an extreme left wing nutcase!

[–] boudicea1967 10 years ago

Why? Because he has a different view than you? What, are you Super Fly or someone that we should all listen to for guidance? Seriously, there is too much religion involved in things that do not concern them. Let them deal with matters of the spirit and let the scientist deal with matters of the world. It is because of people like YOU that make other people reject any religion because they have to deal with this kind of *beep* He can say whatever he wants and so do you. However, the one thing that you really do not seem to understand is that when you mix religion into anything, things get really messed up really fast. Stay in your churches. I do not know if you are American or not, but if you are, the Constitution is for every one not just people like you. If you have daughters, tell me, do you want them being Brut mares for some man and be subservient? What are you even doing on here anyway. Xtro can think what ever he wants to.

Don't know much about you but I can take a good guess that you have not joined the Armed Forces and were willing and able to defend and put your life on the line because religious people or elitist do not do that. Sure, you do not like benefiting from it, but you would never do it yourself. However, I have been in the US Army full time and was willing to put my life on the line to defend the Constitution, ALL OF IT, not just the parts that you like and you chose to ignore and it was for EVERYONE not just people such as yourself. I am crippled for the rest of my life for it and have serious injuries both physical and otherwise defending your rights and Xtro's right too. I have earned the right to say this and I will tell you this, if Xtro wants to believe we evolved from potatoes he has all the right in the world to do so and there is not anything you can do about it. SO, before you start with your judgement on who is what and what people should or should not do, then I suggest that you joined the Armed Forces, go through basic training, get ready to go to a war zone, have to take orders from *beep* for brains officers who will get you murdered because they don't know they ass from a hole in the ground, deal with bombing, be involved in an actual firefight where people are shooting back at you, get hit in the head several times, get injured just to have the military medical system mess you up worse than your actual injury, deal with the bullcrap from the Army and their "support the troops" by giving them crap because they are injured or try to use them as an example to others by being unnecessarily cruel, turn you own platoon against you, see people get shot who are not even involved in the war, see US troops murder half a village, see kids with their guts blown out and then be told that your symptoms are all in your head and you don't get treatment and become suicidal and homicidal and then be told you have to go back year after year just to be dumped off and find that your own country, or the right wing nuts just ignore you THEN you can spew the contempt and dissent that you are so obviously love to spew. BUt, until then, why don't you just SHUT THE *beep* UP!

[–] Holkospinner 12 years ago

You talks as if kids are property that parents should be allowed to do to whatever they please and that it is okay to indoctrinate them into hateful bigots. Besides, he was addressing the kids, NOT the parents. There is nothing wrong with encouraging independent thinking instead of just letting your fundie parents stuff all that crap into your head without questioning it.

[–] XtroTerrestial 12 years ago

Encouraging these kids at a young age will empower them as they grow up and mature into adults so they won't have to live in fear of their religious zealot relatives' tyranny as teenagers and adults. Therefore, in the next generation, the religious zealots' numbers will drop, planet Earth can be free of the horror of their BS that these idiots push on people, and we as a human race can finally evolve into superior beings not held back by these nutjobs.

XTRO Theme: http://youtu.be/pcEeakcNB0k

[–] Tales-from-the-Goondocks 11 years ago

Sorry, but christians are NOT inherently "hateful bigots" at all. I know that for a fact. Antitheism, however, is by definition an intolerant and hateful point of view. The ONLY reason why you are lying and claiming that religion makes hateful people is because you don't believe in God. That's it. Your flawed logic works like this: "God does not exist, therefore anyone who believes in him is hateful and awful!". You sound silly, ignorant and plain intolerant. There is nothing wrong with encouraging kids to disbelieve? Sure, if we suppose that God may or may not exist, but people of faith are not living under YOUR assumptions and beliefs, therefore they are irrelevant.

[–] Lokisgodhi 11 years ago

Yeah they are.

Christianity is not a real religion. It's just a ritualized mockery of Judaism. It's nothing more than an anti-Semitic hate cult.

Yeshua Ben Yosef was born, lived and died a Jew. He was a rabbi, not a prophet to the world. His teachings were exclusively for the Jewish people but they were taken by sick and depraved corrupt power mongers, twisted into something hideous, given a sword and sent out to destroy both the Jews and the other spiritual traditions of the world.

If Christianity were a government, it's crimes against humanity would eclipse those perpetrated by the NSDAP German government, Imperial Japan, Soviet Union and Red China combined.

It's crimes are still being actively committed today.

Tales-from-the-Goondocks wrote:

"Sorry, but christians are NOT inherently "hateful bigots" at all."

[–] Tales-from-the-Goondocks 11 years ago

Surprise, surprise! Another stupid, ignorant, biased atheist who wants to impose his wrong views on others. "Christianity is not a real religion".... *SIGH*. See, when someone uses such made up, unfounded, indefensible ideas, it makes any kind of discussion pointless. Christianity is a real religion by every single valid definition of the word. In every sense, in every way imaginable, by every standard. You are just too stupid, misinformed and biased to realize that the fact that YOU disapprove of christianity doesn't mean that it isn't a real religion. Discussions become pointless when people start making up definitions and notions on the spot. If you claim christianity is not a real religion because of X number of ignorant and biased reasons, then I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you are just not living in the same reality as anthropologists, sociologists, religious people, theologists, or anyone else who would normally be interested in engaging in such discussion, and there's no point in arguing with someone who's living in his own made up reality. I wonder how old you are, because I doubt an adult with a career, even antitheists (as ignorant and biased as they usually are), would be as dumb as you, so I'm guessing you are either a stupid teenager or a young impressionable adult who spends too much time watching youtube videos made by other misinformed atheists. Your post is full of lies and ignorant and biased notions that I just can't refute, because as much as I'd love to, I think it's obvious that you are too far gone to accept your own stupidity. In short, your post is too factually wrong for me to even bother, so I'll just put you on ignore.

Now, here is another fact for you: antitheists like you ARE inherently ignorant bigots. Your stance has literally NOTHING different from other forms of supremacy, such as racism, sexism and whatnot. People like you are, basically, poison. I think the funniest part (and saddest at the same time) is how people like you continue claiming that you stand for reason, intelligence, science and whatnot, yet you keep proving otherwise. Whenever I read posts by people like you, I thank the stars for christians. They are just much nicer people than stupid a*holes like you.

[–] Lokisgodhi 11 years ago

Hey moron, I'm not an atheist.

[–] Captain_Augustus_McCrae 11 years ago

you're not much of an historian either, I can tell you.

"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae

[–] boudicea1967 10 years ago

Actually, it is a philosophy that religions have warped into some twisted version that tries to make them feel superior to others. I personally don't care what people believe because there is no law that states that any one has to believe anything they want. I would just ignore them and consider the source and these are the type of people who indoctrinate and break the will and spirit of children. I never felt I had to do anything, I made a choice, but then again, the church I belonged to was liberal and open minded and accepting. If a person calls themselves a christian and yet tells you that you are wrong or that you do not have morals and talk as if they are better than you, consider the source. These are people who are nothing without preaching to someone about something. I am Presbyterian and we were never taught to hate or we were superior in any way to anyone. You may think I indoctrinate my child but you would be wrong, I gave her the choice to find what she believes and the last time I looked, that was not indoctrination but freedom. I am one of the Christ followers that Atheist tend to like because I believe science, evolution and all types of other things that Christians ignore.

Don't ever let anyone ever tell you what you should think. David Silverman, president of American Atheist, told me that once. So please ignore them and pity them because they are probably very repressed and read the good part of the bible called the New Testament and read carefully and start practicing what their religion really says. I hate Rapture people, they get on my *beep* nerves and are embarrassments to anyone who follows the philosophy, another thing is that they think that is the only want to think and I like to mix it up a bit.

I always say that if the afterlife is full of people like that, then I will be glad to burn in hell for all eternity.

[–] Captain_Augustus_McCrae 9 years ago

So you're telling us we shouldn't tell people what to think because some big-shot atheist told you that? Anyone else see the irony here?

"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae

[–] boudicea1967 9 years ago

No. I think for myself and so no "big shot" Atheist told me to think anything anymore than some holy man told you. Did some big shot religious person tell you what to say? Religious people have always spoke what they believe and some very loudly too I might add. If you feel so persecuted, then maybe you should go live somewhere else.

[–] Captain_Augustus_McCrae 9 years ago

"Don't ever let anyone ever tell you what you should think. David Silverman, president of American Atheist, told me that once."

So you don't see the irony- too bad.

"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae

[–] Fluffis 12 years ago

They are their kids. They are not your kids. If and when you get your own kids, you can grow them up the way you want. Meantime, you are not entitled to interfere, got it?

Of course he/she is.
Children represent the future of mankind. If we see kids doing something detrimental to mankind, then it's in our best interest to set them straight.

If atheists are not allowed to educate the children, then they'll only be educated by religious people - because you can be damned sure that they will interfere. Don't you think we owe it to our children to show them both sides?

Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

[–] boudicea1967 10 years ago

I don't think Xtro was interfering because as a kid, I always would do things my parents didn't want me to do. It was not until the second book and it was only mentioned in the middle about the angels and it was not until the third book that they played a significant part and it was not about God it was about the Angels having a slapdown. It was fiction and a story and not to be taken seriously. I think these zealots are like the Puritans, very repressed people and very intolerant.

I think what was said was meant more of a joke until someone took it seriously as if kids would be on this board in the first place. It is usually over religious, preachy elitist type people who raise the most serial killers and kids on drugs.

So, don't you dare tell Xtro what they can or cannot say and yea, I have kids and I know what happens when religious Rapture people get their hands on a child, they mess up their minds, ignore sexual and physical abuse, have "preachers" who are pedophiles and uneducated and in the US they cheat the US government. I always thought that if they want to get into politics, they should be taxed.

So, grow a sense of humor and stop taking things so damn serious, unless you are one of the Rapture people, GOT IT!!!!

[–] nyshyguy84 12 years ago

Thats funny considering now its western atheists trying to force feed there beliefs on a world thats overwelmingly religious. And then u white westerners wonder why everyone in the world hates u people.

[–] j_money77 12 years ago

I'm a hard line atheist and I strongly disagree with the OP's sentiments. Religious people shouldn't have to keep their mouths shut.

[–] Captain_Augustus_McCrae 12 years ago

OP,
Any issue about the film aside, I'm sorry to tell you that this is America. People can say whatever they want, remember? And as far as you writing anything for publication, I hope your spelling improves before you offer it for sale anywhere.

"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae

[–] masterjedi-2 12 years ago

Good luck on your "trilogy" since your spelling is an abomination.

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[–] BrotherZed 12 years ago

Who thinks the religious types are in the right when they try to get a movie like this shut down. They want to use the right of free speech to take that right away from others.

[–] Captain_Augustus_McCrae 11 years ago

Whether or not they are "in the right", they have the right to peacefully assemble and express opinions. This doesn't violate anyone's rights, as long as the law is followed. No one is trying to "shut down" anything, they are simply using their 1st Amendment right to express an opinion about something. Get over it.

"It ain't dying I'm talking about, it's LIVING!"
Captain Augustus McCrae

[–] raymondleggs 11 years ago

Grammar Nazi

[–] RoyWilliamsbeatsCoachK 11 years ago

Nope, they should not keep their mouths shut. In a free society, all should speak what they believe. I blame the studio for listening to them. No reason to listen to people who don't support the film anyway. It would be like having people who don't drink get to design the liquor laws for a state.

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[–] bananabry 10 years ago

"screaned?"

huh?

Please, trolls, learn how to spell.

Acting dumb doesn't assist your "cause."