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It's a great film! Don't listen to anyone else!


Why are people calling this a bad movie?

It was Great! And what a superb ending!?
ooh I loved this movie..


So shut up deuches, and watch it again...

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I enjoyed it.



You're supposed to be the leading lady in your own life, for God's sake!

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From my point of view, the movie is really over the top, but is a fine morality tale that every teen should watch. Then they can't say that they haven't been warned: when dealing with members of the opposite sex as partners, actions have consequences.

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I don't understand why people hate this movie so much. I admit that I haven't seen the original "Alfie" (although I do plan on seeing it soon) so I can only judge the remake on its own merits. I enjoyed the whole cast and not just Jude Law (who's perfectly cast as the charming cad). Everyone's character was well portrayed and believable. The message of "actions have consequences" came through loud and clear as the film showed the downside to Alfie's selfish, careless behaviour. Thankfully, it wasn't a mindless "celebration" of his ability to hump a lot of women. I was particularly drawn to Alfie's relationship with Julie and Lonette. The look on Jude Law's face when he realizes how much he has lost...priceless!! I liked the story and was moved by it. What more could I ask for?

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Update:

I finally saw the original "Alfie" today. I liked it a lot. Of course, there were some changes in the details between the old and new versions which reflected an evolution in social values (for example, having a child out of wedlock and refusal to marry its mother as well as arranging for an abortion were considered scandalous back in the day. In these modern times, not so much). Still, despite the alterations, I found both films to be equally enjoyable to watch. It was especially interesting to compare the nature of male-female relationships through the prism of the pre- and post-sexual liberation eras. Michael Caine's "Alfie" came across as a "polite" misogynist; Jude Law's "Alfie" seemed more of a spoiled, irresponsible brat who refused to grow up. In both versions, the relationships between Caine and the women portraying "Gilda", "Lily" and "Ruby" roughly correspond with the relationships between Law and the ladies acting as "Julie", "Lonette" and "Liz" respectively (all key storylines). So, aside from the shift in emphasis in certain parts of the story, I really don't see the two movies as being extremely different.

For those who loved the original "Alfie"...could you further explain why you hated the new "Alfie" so much?

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I couldn't agree more. this movie was excelent, I gave it a 10 though it deserved much more

Her death will be a mystery even to me

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Seriously, what morality tale are we supposed to get out of this movie? If a man and woman have sex once, she MIGHT get pregnant? Wow, I had no idea. And for the record, the interracial aspect is nothing more than the screenwriter's attempt to stir a bit more controversy. In this day and age this is no big deal either, but more importantly, both Alfie and the woman in question were consenting adults with no obligations at that time. Just because she chose to get back with her boyfriend after the fact, and also chose to have the child does not mean that Alfie is somehow the most insensitive guy in the world.

And let's face it, ONLY in the movies would someone like Jude Law care whether or not Sarandon's character was into him or not. He had plenty to choose from, but because it's a movie and needs some dramatic sweep, he is unrealistically disappointed by this rejection. We're somehow supposed to believe that this is a huge issue for him.

So we end up with a story that tries very hard to put Alfie in the worst possible light and show him feeling the weight of his actions. In real life, Alfie would simply have moved on to another conquest. And ladies, let's face it - for someone like Alfie there is always another conquest. You know it's true.

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Seriously, what morality tale are we supposed to get out of this movie? If a man and woman have sex once, she MIGHT get pregnant? Wow, I had no idea. And for the record, the interracial aspect is nothing more than the screenwriter's attempt to stir a bit more controversy. In this day and age this is no big deal either, but more importantly, both Alfie and the woman in question were consenting adults with no obligations at that time. Just because she chose to get back with her boyfriend after the fact, and also chose to have the child does not mean that Alfie is somehow the most insensitive guy in the world.

And let's face it, ONLY in the movies would someone like Jude Law care whether or not Sarandon's character was into him or not. He had plenty to choose from, but because it's a movie and needs some dramatic sweep, he is unrealistically disappointed by this rejection. We're somehow supposed to believe that this is a huge issue for him.

So we end up with a story that tries very hard to put Alfie in the worst possible light and show him feeling the weight of his actions. In real life, Alfie would simply have moved on to another conquest. And ladies, let's face it - for someone like Alfie there is always another conquest. You know it's true.



The morality lesson is that selfish actions have consequences. People like Alfie either come to realize that truth for themselves or life will gladly drive the point home in the harshest, most blunt way possible.

Yes, Alfie and Lonette were consenting adults. What Alfie did, however, was BETRAY HIS FRIEND. Marlon still had feelings for Lonette and Alfie knew this. Marlon TRUSTED Alfie to just talk things over with Lonette in the hopes convincing her to get back with him and mending their strained relationship. When you ask a friend to grab your wallet and hand it over, you don't expect him/her to help themselves to your cash, credit cards and other personal belongings unless you specifically permitted it. Same idea here. Lonette broke up with Marlon but she still had feelings for him (proven by the fact she went back to him afterwards). It was a "time out", not a clear break. The relationship was in a limbo state and the right thing that Alfie should've done was to back off and not get involved. Both he and Lonette allowed alcohol and lust to get the better of them and they both got burned in the end. Alfie didn't think much about the impact he had on the women he dated but I believe he was genuinely close with his co-worker buddy. Look at the unspoken exchange between the two men when Alfie visits Lonette and (his) baby. Marlon is hurt; Alfie--for the first time--feels like a schmuck.

In the real world, even womanizers have feelings (try hard as they might to conceal that fact). We're all human and we all have our limits and/or weaknesses. Jude Law's character is no different. Alfie thought nothing of using women for his self-gratification but he sure didn't like the taste of his own medicine when the tables were turned! Also, being told that he got passed over in favour of a younger man had to be a severe blow to his ego. For someone who prides himself as being " on top of the game", those instances would give him at least a moment's pause.

The interracial relationship is just one of several cosmetic updates from the 1966 film original. Where's the attempted "controversy" in that? I'd like to think that in this day and age, black-white relationships aren't a big deal (can't say the same back in the 60s).

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I enjoyed it too!

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Brilliant film!

People are sheep’s. what they know about the style

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It definitely wasn't terrible, but I was bothered by the fourth wall approach of storytelling. The problem wasn't the Jude Law though...

I would put something witty here, but my mind is blank. So you get this instead:

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I liked the breaking of the fourth wall, myself. When done well (as I felt this film did it), it reminds me of a novel, when you get extended peeks into the characters' heads. That makes me more interested; it's nice to see what a character does, and it's great when a character tells someone else--and thus the audience--the why behind it.

A peek into the character's head shows more than the why--it shows the process of reasoning behind it, and lets me get to see just who this character really is.

That's not to say every movie does it well, nor is every story really enhanced by such a thing, but when it does serve the story and when it's implemented well, it makes me really get into the film. That's why I liked this film; the story in and of itself is kind of mundane; "a selfish womanizer learns too late that he shoved away everyone who cared about him".

That's a great plot, with a depth I find sorely lacking in most films of the last few decades, but on its face not much that's really different or interesting. Letting us get a peek into Alfie's head like this helped get me far more interested.

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I just finished watching "Alfie", and I enjoyed the film. Although I will not be placing it on my top movies list, I will not be assigning it to my worst movies ever list either. The breaking of the "fourth wall" helped give the picture more "life", and the story, while not earth shattering in its context, is pretty good. The bevy of beauties and assorted eye candy throughout are top notch to look at, and i would guess the ladies probably liked Jude Law as the lead character. Anyway, IMHO I find "Alfie" to be a good, but not great piece of light to medium entertainment.

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I enjoyed both films. I don't understand the hate for the 2004 version. Maybe people hold the 1966 film to be sacred?

I preferred the character of Alfie in the 2004 version and the women in the 2004 version. Alfie (2004) wasn't as hard as in 1966. I say elsewhere that the women in the 2004 version acted like assertive women instead of girls.

The feelings of the married woman in 2004 were developed more. In 1966, she had moved on. She just said, "Oh, I don't know, Alfie."

What I liked about 1966 was the setting in mid-'60's London, the IN place at the time. That was thrilling to see at the time. '66 had a cold, tragic feeling to it, although its ending ended in a cute way. 2004 was more hopeful.

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