Never in my life have I walked out of a movie. Yet, I walked out of this one during the scene where Jude Law was in Sarandon's apartment. That was enough for me. Neither am I prudish nor otherwise inhibited, but I just like tasteful movies. This wasn't. First, I thought that would be a stylish movie, with my favourite Marisa Tomei in it as well as Jude. Then again, Sarandon- I fully agree with her politics and loved her in Thelma and Louise- but she just is a romance killer. She's plain ridiculous as a love interest. How can she be so uninhibited with her ugly old breasts- I am pro natural breasts, but a woman her age should at least cover three quarters of them otherwise you get sick. As a man I would have succumbed to impotence during that movie. She just should NEVER be cast in romance movies. Rather more political documentaries à la Michael Moore. She just is not watchable- with all respect to her for her human right's activism. I can't bring myself to watch Shall we dance because of her, too. What bothered me with this movie was the direct audience approach of Jude's character. Very very annoying. And there simply was no plot whatsoever. What's the deal? Him facing us and telling us how he likes this chick or the other and how well his pink shirt suits him. Great. Actually he came over as a gay gigolo. Unbelievable that he was playing a straight guy. And all of his movements and turnarounds were the same he used in A.I.- Gigolo Joe, that's the role he actually reprised here. Then there really were too straightforward ugly scenes. That kissing was just disgusting. Haven't seen that neither in recent movies, this licking out each other's jaws so you needn't brush anymore. Come on. You only show that in the other kind of movies. That kissing with Jane Krakowski, Marisa, Sarandon and his girlfriend Miller was just too gross. And the nudity and awful displaying of Sarandon's sagging mammaries. Just plain gross. All in all, too graphic for a movie that pretended to be what it never reached to be. And too many close- ups- Quite ugly. Never would have expected that of Charles Shyer. Shyer must have a midlife crisis which he's trying to conceal with a lackluster sexmovie. I just had the feeling he was in for a little shocking the audience and thus gaining respectability, but waaaayyyy wrong!!! (And this coming from me, a sophisticated film student)
I find your critisism to be QUITE rantish, but I will respond anyway.
I feel as if, during your whole speal, that your main "problem" with the film is Sarandon's breasts.....I think it is really childish of you to make such comments, I found her to be very beautiful, she is OLDER, so OBVIOUSLY her breasts are going to sag a bit. You REALLY didn't have to be SO harsh, EVERYONE grows old....and I think it is REALLY GREAT that she was able to be so open...I thought she had a lot of sex appeal..... Next,the remark about how Jude was speaking towards the audience also bothered me, I felt it gave the film SUBSTANCE it made it more NEW-AGE because the origanle is NOT. Furthermore, I think you took up an entire waste of a page writing this whole thingy, because frankly all you did was say the same things over and OVER! And OFCOURSE, we must include the ending, wasn't it remarkable? Secrets were revealed and REAL personalities came OUT.....but then again YOU DID'NT STAY AROUND FOR THE ENDING, DID YOU??? EH? So you really would'nt know if it was good or not, would you? My advise, FINISH A FILM BEFORE YOU LASH OUT ON IT! All THIS crap came from a "sophisticated film student", YAH RIGHT!
Also, a little ironic you should claim that the original post was a rant. In a rant. Unclever.
However... I completely agree with what you're saying, what kind of idiot feel the need to walk out of a film because gravity played too much of a role on some ageing actress's breasts? Grow up daphne, please.
PS. What exactly is a 'sophisticated film student'? Surely Daphne isn't implying that a film student could be unsophisticated and, say, walk out of a film over a pair of tits?
As a film student you should have stayed till the end...I mean there's so much crap we have to sit through just to be able to discuss those movies later. And this film wasn't crap.
Anyhow...Sarandon's sagging mammaries...bwahahahaaaaa!!! Sorry. Anyhow...I also had mixed feelings about the film, but in the end everything came together in one big nervous breakdown and everything just made sense...the last two minutes (a.k.a. *what's it all about monologue*) are so emotional and real and so *believable*!!! This monologue will be referred to for a long time, so you need to see it. And the plot actually rounds up very smoothly in the end, but you don't feel like there's a plot until you get there. They were licking each other's jaws??? Must have missed it! Damn!
why is she ridiculous as a romantic interest? her breats sagging? Wha wha what? Sweetie, she a woman fully in control of herself and for her age a beautiful woman. If you would have mentioned wrinkles or other aspects then I could have said, hmm okay. But why is she not a credible love interest, she should not have any romance from a younger man, should we not consider age or experience an attractive thing. In the movie, Alfie is a lover a of women, regardless of age, generally he is superficial. And Susan's character is a challenge, for she is a female, older version of him in many aspects.
As for the nudity, the breast shot of Sienna Miller painting? Jude in a towel at the beginning, flashblacks to a zipper, Susan's profile in a blurred half second glimpse? Oh no, sex occurs especially when we are focused on a womanizer. Wouldn't a womanizer be having sex, and sex usually includes nudity. But to think this was an overindulgence of flesh is ridiculous.
He came across as gay, really didn't see that and I'm a gay boy, gee but I guess you would have the upper edge in judging masclinity since you are after male, oh wait no, you name would suggest female or a female identified gender.
I enjoyed the direct monologue, like many plays it incorporates us into a private sector, it may diminsh some of the intepretation that many would gather from analyzing behaviors or emotions, but it is nonetheless effective. I thought the cinematography was quite well done, the editing and splicing interesting, and the overall story had an asiatic flair, would showed a snippet of life without the intention of a major plot. It is life simple as that, however it is a sotry of realization, we just jumped in halfway through.
However, since you left, you are in no position to fully judge a film, and being a film student, hello, thats a no.
And sophisticated, no, not with the way you addressed some of the superficial artifices that you are clinging to, and I would question anyone that would give you sucha compliment or assessment.
I like tasteful films too, and am somewhat disturbed by explicit sex or too much nudity, but I found this film very tasteful. I do not remember anything offensive. As far as the kissing- I think that Jude Law is one of the best on-screen kissers out there. Furthermore, I do not think that Jude Law came off as a gay gigolo. Alfie is a "metrosexual"- I live in a suburb of San Francisco, and so am used to ultra-preened straight men (as well as ultra-preened gay men). I happen to like the way he dressed.
Oh dear Daphne are you a nun? Didn't like the movie due to nudity and Sarandon's breasts? Gosh, please grow up. And stay till the end of a movie too, before passing judgement. PS. I too didn't like Sarandon (think she's ugly even way back in Thelma & Louise) and find the movie just so-so.
When i saw Alfie i suppose i was expecting a lot more than what i saw but overall i think it was an ok movie. And as for the rant about Susan Sarandon i for one think she is looking GREAT for 58!
How can she be so uninhibited with her ugly old breasts- I am pro natural breasts, but a woman her age should at least cover three quarters of them otherwise you get sick.
How old are you? 14?
Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I'm fairly young and I've always thought Susan Sarandon was a sexy woman. I even thought she was sexy in Dead Man Walking. There are lots of sexy older women that I would love to shack up with; Diane Lane, Juliette Binoche, Lena Olin, Angela Bassett, Laura Harring, Mimi Rogers, Alice Krige-- and I can go on.
But given the fact that you're a woman, and will most likely go through the same body changes (granted you don't go under the knife), I figure you either have self-image problems or very small breats.
Or maybe you're just 14.
"Action is how men express romance on film." -- Kurt Wimmer
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But women with small breasts hate women with big breasts. Just like women who are short hate women who are tall. Just like women with bad skin hate women with good skin. Just like women with bad hair hate women with good hair.
Women just hate women.
"Action is how men express romance on film." -- Kurt Wimmer
Hahahaha, you're a bloody joke Daphne..."This coming from a sophisticated film student" (I paraphrased a tad, but in general, that's what you said)
So...a SOPHISTICATED FILM STUDENT didn't like the movie, because she couldn't handle breast over 50, and licking/kissing a jaw?....So...what'd you think of the Cinematography? Or the Editing?...how about the directing?....virtually nothing that has to do with being a film student came up in you reason why you didn't like this movie. That would be like an intieror decorator going into a fancy restraunt and complaining about the food, because they didn't like the colour schemes on the wall. Your reasons for not liking this movie are coming from your own personal preference and opinion, NOT from a film students point of view. You only threw that in to wave around the fact that you study film. Who cares? Hundreds of thousand of people do it each year, you're no more special than them. Secondly, just be cause you take a class, doesn't mean you're good at it. Had you of not stated the fact that you're a film student, I'd still be bashing on you, but I'm just going to have to bash on you some more.
1. Alfie's pink shirt - He wears pink, therefore he's gay? too bad there wasn't a course on getting rid of the stereotyping prick out of you. So all men who wear pink are gay now? oh man, I'm in trouble...I better tell my girlfriend the bad news, and my friend Kevin the good news. So does that mean, if a girl wears a flanel shirt, she's a lesbian...does that mean that the cashier at the supermarket with the mustache and sideburns is a complete lesbo?...funny, she has a wedding ring on and she's been wearing it well before the gay marrage thing. Well, now that my my girlfriend is available, maybe I could hook the two up...now that you've enlightened me, I can clearly see that my girlfriend be a lesbian too, her legs were alittle TOO hairy last time I saw her......Oh man, sarcasm kicks so much ass. So Alfie is gay, cause he wear a pink shirt? Okay, so his having sex with all those women is just a great big smoke screen? Well done.
2. "Boo-hoo, he kisses and licks a girls jaw" Aww, poor baby, you didn't like seeing alittle passion? It's not absurd, it's not tastless, or disgusting. You know what it is...it's natural, it's reality....here's going to be a BIG shock to you....when a man and a woman get intimate, they kiss and lick all over....even *gasp* the VAGINA AND PENIS (Note: I'm not trying to make anyone uncomfortable, it's not my intention, I'm just giving some people a little bit of a well needed reality check....you can look at it as disgusting if you want, just know that it happens, people do it, dispite what some people think, a stork doesn't bring babies to your front door, you have to be intimate and have intercourse to do that. Too graphic for some of you? It's a HELL Of a lot more graphic and I could have said it 100 times less tastefully.)
3. Susan Surandon's (I don't know if that's how you spell it) old lady breasts....okay, you see her clevage...she looks good for her age...really good, I personally don't find her attractive in the least, she's got those bug-eyes and features that just don't do it for me, but I am aware that she is attractive, she just doesn't do it for me at all, but here's another reality check...in 20-30 odd years, you're going to be the same age she is here and you're going to have to look at saggy old lady boobs every single day for the rest of your life, and they'll just keep getting lower...and wrinklier...what are you going to do then? go blind, or kill yourself? or just tape a huge black "SENSOR" sign to them everytime you take a shower, or get dressed?
Alright, I think I'm done for now....oh yeah, "I'm a Bitch" of whatever the *beep* your name is. By agreeing with daphne, you're wrong...well maybe not, it was pretty much just your opinion, but you're an idiot for it...congradulations though, your "I'm alway right" streak is still on.
plastic_plan- i loved your post, hilarious. I completely agree.
Daphne is pathetic. She bitches about seeing a womans natural breasts. That is what ruined the movie for her? And the kissing. hmmm ok. I liked the movie alot, i think Susan is very pretty and sexy and Jude Law is the hottest and sexiest man alive. I think its great that Susan was confident in her looks, she looks great for her age and she is a great actress. Anyway i thought this was a great movie.
Esteban Vihaio:I heard you were driving a truck. The Bride:My Pussy Wagon died on me.
Susan Sarandon is just plain VOLUPTUOUS and I love the fact that she doesn't starve herself to be a size 4 or whatever. She's nearing 60, doesn't even really look 45, and she's earned that body. She's a WOMAN, not some tiny little waif. Her breasts didn't offend me....they were kind of in your face a little, like i said, she is voluptuous....but to focus on her breasts and not Jude's eyes or butt or whatever is just kind of weird, IMO!! I bet a lot of men would prefer Susan's lush body as opposed to Sienna's stick-figure drawing. I think she's sexier. She just looks comfortable in her skin. Maybe when I'm her age, hopefully I'll feel the same.
I agree that Daphne's opinions are based on unjustified reasons, but you all should pay closer attention to the post. He clearly said that he was a man, and before you go biting his head off and coming up with these sarcastic jokes about the sagging breasts HE will have someday, you should pay attention to what you're reading.
I want to say again I DON'T AGREE WITH DAPHNE EITHER, so don't murder me like you did HIM.
Holy mackerel, where do you come from C.S.Wood?? Who told you women hate women? I only hate stupid women & I'm a woman. By the way, I hate stupid men too & I prefer healthy-looking breasts, big or small doesn't matter, only they be well shaped & the skin be nice. Even god likes what's beautiful, how would we not like it then? hahaha
I'm not saying this is specific to every single female on the face of the planet, but it's very common. I once talked to a female aquaintance who understood this even better than I did. Highschool is a great example. The girls that get their boobs first are hated by the girls that get their boobs later. The girls who all the boys are attracted to are hated by those girls who the boys aren't attracted to, thye usually call those other girls sluts or whores are a result. You can call it jealousy I guess, but it usually turns into hate.
When a woman sees something or someone another has that she wants, hate is usually the result. I even see this now, when guys might say "so and so actress/singer is sexy" and then some women will try her hardest to point out all said actress/singer's flaws her comment how ugly/fat she things this person is. On the filp side, I do know a fair amout of women who don't do this, but most of these women are either lesbians or bi, or the kind of women who say things like "I'd go dyke for her".
"Action is how men express romance on film." -- Kurt Wimmer
Now don't be cruel C.S.Wood!!! Some women may be jealous, indeed, but hateful is too strong a word to describe them with! Don't you think? Besides, in some cases jealousy is sort of natural. If you for example were watching a movie with some girls & they'd get over-excited abot some actor & how good he looks & all that wouldn't you try to make him seem less handsome? Or if your girlfriend told you that her ex was very good in bed & so on & so forth... wouldn't you get defensive?? Yet I doubt that you'd start hating a very popular actor or your girlfriend's ex just because they seem to be better than you from certain points of view. That is, it would take more to make you hate someone, isn't it so? Hate is a very strong & purposeful feeling. It would be a very awful world if women were so hateful! As to breast size, everyone is allowed to have his/her preferences. I'm sure there must be even men that prefer them sagging, for various particular reasons & I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to satisfy their whims. It really sounds like nonsense that a woman could hate another woman because of the other one's breast size! & very mean too! I really don't understand that daphne's reaction. I definitely relished the idea of such a sexy young man being interested in an old lady, looks or no looks! & what's more, getting to fall in love with her, heehee! That was absolutely wonderful. I can dream of myself getting old & rich & discovering that one of my beautiful young lovers manages to fall in love with me... How could any woman not like it? :-D
dats a lie women wiv small breasts r glad dem can c der feet wen dem luk down.n short women can always find ideal man coz there is neva a guy 2 tall! in otha wordz women pretend 2 h8 otha women coz they think its cute but realli women luv each otha coz at least they can diss men 2geva
the onli gal i eva known who was hateful n vicious turned out to be a lesbian at da end.lol so if u a guy shut it abt women u r clueless even if u had 7 sistas n ten girl friends u still wudnt know women