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This movie teaches you the FUTILITY about meditation, spritualism, etc

posted 14 years ago by Imdb11168
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The movie will be dealt with in the end, after dealing with the premise the movie is made on.

Ive allways believed that mediatation and spiritualism is self destructive because it gives you inner peace but it does not change the reality around you. Its like if a boat has holes and is sinking, you have to fix the holes. But if you start painting the boat and start that *beep* ....i have such a lovely boat, radiant clours, webs of light, i am so happy and at peace then, well, thats the end of you.

Ironically, meditation might make some sense in the Western World where there are plenty of opportunities to start a new life. In India, where i come from, i have seen so many families being ruined because of a wrong decicion. If the father or mother has problems and he escapes it by mediatation, he finds his inner peace but the children are exposed to the harsh reality and they suffer.

On a larger scale the Tibetans believed in self awareness, inner peace, world peace, etc etc, and what happened ? They refused British help in the 30's to become a buffer state against China. The Dalai lama in those days sought inner peace, and created destruction for the Tibetan generations following him. I worship the present Dali Lama as a good man, but a man out of sync with reality.

Now, come back to the movie. ( MINOR SPOILER ) The first part, spring is shown so beautifully. The child is taught such a beautiful lesson by the master. But what happens with all the teaching ? Did it help ? Eventually the child turns into a murderer. The point is that if you want to develop you need classical Education, and exposure to life around you, and Buddhism is one religion which concentrates too much on God, peace, love, spiritualism, etc .....it ruins a person ( or that persons family ) in the real world.

even monkeys fall from trees

[–] marcuscampbell7 14 years ago

I'm not a buddhist, but from what you've just said it seems as though you don't understand the premise behind buddhism at all.

[–] Imdb11168 14 years ago

explain to me then, in brief ........

and also tell me which country you come from. i will tell you that your kids, and you, are living in peace and security because your political leaders did not believe in the premise of Buddhism

even monkeys fall from trees

[–] marcuscampbell7 14 years ago

I'm not telling you what country I'm from, since I have no desire to debate on a sociopolitical level. I also have no interest in the negative effects that may be a result of the way in which some people have interpreted and applied buddhism. All I can tell you is my understanding of the philosophy, and from what I've read, and that is, contrary to your understanding, the ultimate goal of buddhism is to achieve ultimate synchronisation with reality. From what I understand buddhism isn't some convoluted belief, in fact, it is of the most simple nature. Meditation is used to settle the mind so that perception is clear. This is done by halting our active thought processes and just letting our mind be, without petty distraction. It is strange given how simple the values of buddhism are, yet how much discipline and dedication it takes to live in such a way. I have no doubt that someone of much greater knowledge in this area can come and correct what I understand to be buddhism, but I believe this gives a general gist.

[–] Imdb11168 14 years ago

I look at everything as a composite whole. And I feel that Buddhism beats my religion Sikhism on maybe 7 or 8 counts out of 10 counts, but Sikhism believes in the concept of saint soldier, that you have to protect yourself, that you cannot be fatalistic, that reality comes before peace of mind

I know your at a deeper level, but security, weapons, money, inventions your Western Civilisation ( assuming your from the West ) gives you is a higher level, for its only because of this, do you have the luxury of talking about "perceptions, synchronisation with reality, discipline, greater knowledge" etc.

All by itself, eveything has its value, even Alcohol is brilliant in its own litle way.

even monkeys fall from trees

[–] legendlength 14 years ago

I think you just have to find the philosophy that feels right to you. People regularly takes small parts of buddhism and reject the rest. Others go an entirely different route.

I agree with you that following buddhism blindly could have negative impacts on your family and yourself. Any philosophy that says something is 100% wrong, such as 'attachment' is potentially dangerous imo.

[–] vedrana_a 14 years ago

what a stupid comment. of course that meditation or prayer don't change the reality around you. It is not the reality that should be changed but man.

[–] Imdb11168 14 years ago

So how to change the man then ? Dont you then agree with some part of my earlier arguments - read everything, not just the header -

even monkeys fall from trees

[–] Korios 14 years ago

"The only way to improve the world is to improve yourself".
No, that's clearly not a Buddhist line, it is one of Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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[–] deanowest 12 years ago

Mira, I think I am leaning toward your ideas.

I wrote somewhere else on these boards that the boy-now-a-man failed to truly learn from his childhood lesson. We are doomed to forget the basic lessons in life: cruelty is wrong, excessive emotion is dangerous, etc. The boy at the end will be doomed to repeat the same wrong doings as the boy-now-a-man did?

Dictated, but not read.

[–] suarez_976 12 years ago

I didn't see this movie, and I live in Brazil, but from what I know of buddhism, buddhism is not to have more thoughts that "everything is great and everything is alright and wonderfull no matter what", but to have less thoughts of "oh, what a miserable life I have, no one has the problems I have". And you have less of those thoughs by meditating and seeing the unreality of them, and eventualy they just disapear by themselves.

So, if I where to use your boat analysis, a person who is not a buddhist, when he sees the holes in the boat, will think "Oh crap, there are holes in the boat, why did this have to happen to me, what the hell." and keep complaining instead of fixing the problem. And a buddhist would just see the problem and solve it without having all those negative thoughts.

Now, there are a bunch of problems in buddhism, but they are rather specific things, like master so and so who abuses their disciples sexually and economically, or a whole bunch of other things.

[–] hodie 12 years ago

I've always thought that the central message of Buddhism was "every man for himself." (with apologies to A Fish Called Wanda). :)

"Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"

[–] srinath_r_htanirs 10 years ago

I'm from India as well, but this seems to be a highly ignorant post on meditation.

Meditation can be as simple as a method to calm one's nerves and give a clearer head while approaching a problem. After all being in a rage/pressure scenario is not exactly ideal for one to work out solutions. Meditation does not say meditate and ignore everything else. It's not exactly living in delusion. It keeps the mind and the body healthy (breath control).

If everyone had followed world peace (as in your example - Tibetans), there wouldn't be destruction. It is less of a case of being out of reality and more of a case of others out of sync with basic values.

And about the message form the film, you read in between the lines and took what it didn't intend while missing the point completely.

[–] Imdb11168 10 years ago

Agreed with your second para completely, but only if people stopped there.

Unfortunately, half the people who meditate and do satsang / watsang / rekhi become mini masters and go around preaching that they have a cure to all of life's problems, when most are bumming on inheritance, or are rich housewives etc. Nobody with real responsibility's in life wastes too much time on meditation and spiritualism. If a depressed person gets hoodwinked by these mini masters into doing the same thing, his life may (will probably) get worse.

Also, if the aggressors around us are out of sync with basic values, then we have to worry about them and nothing else.

Darkness lies an inch ahead

[–] ionme2298 8 years ago

Ugly, discomforting, and completely spot on.
We need more people like you.