Couple of points and question


Bernard refers to Kafka as one of his "predecessors". Absolutely brilliant.

Jeff Daniels really was immense in this and William Baldwin's character was fantastic.

Can someone explain Walt's complete reversal in attitude at the end? For the entire film he had idolised his dad, then after one session with a psychiatrist and discovering his dad hitting on a student the son's allegiance switches between parents? To the point that he abandons his dad in his hospital bed?

I appreciate that maybe Baumbach wanted to keep the film short, but such a profound about-turn seemed a bit patchy.

And what was with the duck pond episode? Some sort of 're-baptism'?!

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Very good points you make :)

Now going back to his reversal in attitude...
You could obviously see the lightbulb go off above his head when the shrink asked him where his dad was. All of the wonderful memories he gave the shrink were involving his mother, and he didn't even realize it until the psychologist asked him why he wasn't mentioning his father. Walt finally realized that his father was absent for most of his childhood. I suppose you could consider it 'patchy,' but i never really thought of it that way...

And YES, i love the predecessor line Oh bernard...

I'd give you my credit card, but I used my AmEx to hit a face I didn't like.

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Yes, but after showing such fervent devotion to his father for (one has to assume) a number of years, such a volte-face on the back of ONE counselling session just seems v unlikely.

Just to add a personal touch: I've been in counselling for the past three years, amounting to hundreds of hours therapy, and honestly such a massive shift of allegiance would take a long, long time. Recounting one nice memory from childhood really wouldn't do it.

And what was the duck-pond episode all about?!

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Yes, but after showing such fervent devotion to his father for (one has to assume) a number of years, such a volte-face on the back of ONE counselling session just seems v unlikely.
it wasn't sincere devotion, was more of a reflex his father cultivated in him. it was superficial however - think of the scene where Walt asks his father advice on Sophie, and Bernard says "you'll take the right decision", meaning he doesn't care about him, and the scene where he finds his father with Lili is just the last (immense) drop. I mean, men kill eachother over women and you find his 180 degree turn unlikely?

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I think the whole point of Walt's behaviour is that he never really liked his dad. He always acts exactly like him, repeats what he says, and sides with him, but he seems to do it out of obligation, not true devotion. There's always an underlying layer of disgust and denial under it all.

On one hand, he's afraid to do anything else, because his father is such an overbearing figure. (I don't mean "afraid" as literally afraid of his father, I mean afraid of new experiences, the unknown.) On the other, he tries to imitate his dad because it would somehow justify his dad's actions. That's why he's so furious with his mother in the beginning - because he just doesn't want to admit his dad's failures. When Frank tells him his dad dropped the burgers on the floor, Walt shushes him. He knows it's the truth, he knows his dad lied about it, he just doesn't want to face it.

So I definitely wouldn't say he "idolises" his dad. He tries to be like him, and to defend him, because it's easier - it's much easier to just agree with someone that controlling than to make your own mind about things. The "Tale of Two Cities" discussion exemplifies that. He doesn't bother reading any of the books he talks about - just repeats his dad's idiotic judgements, because then he doesn't have to face judgement himself. And it doesn't turn out well - he breaks up with Sophie, for example, because his dad pressures him into it, but he regrets it later.

The two incidents - at the psychiatrist's, and seeing his dad with Lili - didn't change anything by themselves. They just helped solidify the knowledge that Walt already had: of how pathetic (in the true sense of that word) his dad really is. So the about-turn is something that's happening throughout the whole film.

As for the duck/pond episode, I doubt it "means" anything, really. It just demonstrates Walt's confusion. And teenagers sometimes do silly or unpredictable things, just for the sake of it. :) Also, since the film seems to be semi-autobiographical, it might be based on a real incident.

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I thought the duck/pond episode meant a lot actually. He knew that if he went into the pond and got wet, then he would feel emotional affection from his mother. And he did. The entire time, his mother cared about him and he just took her for granted or he never really recognized how much his mother cared about him. He ran into the pond and then quickly ran home and his mother immediately showed him that he cared about him by her "oh sweetie that water is filthy! i hope you didn't drink any of it" and he needed to hear her concern for him.

Right after that he asked her if she ever loved Bernard, and for once, he actually listened to her response instead of jumping to conclusions and judging her negatively.

And then he asked her "do you remember when we watched robin hood", he starts to see her in a completely different light. He sees her as the mother that has always loved him but makes mistakes and not the ungrateful heartless bitch that he thought she was.

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Agree with you - the duck pond was signficant, for all the reasons you mentioned. I saw it as a type of symbolic baptism - cleansing his father from his mind/personality/"self" and accepting his mother back in.

Think about what would have happened if he went to his father's home wet from the duck pond - probably nothing. As you mentioned, mom was concerned. She also didn't criticize or ask why - she just helped.

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I don't think this is right. Remember, this is based on Baumbach's real dad, and he has said he did not intend the portrayal to be seen as negative as most everyone took it. People are complicated, they have flaws, and he's showing them "warts and all", but Bernard's still a pretty cool guy and I think Walt does love him.

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I agree with both prettymaryk and mxpx6703.

I really track Walt's allegience change to three moments in the film.

(1) He sees his dad with Lili. He was in love with her and Frank even could see it. Plus, his dad was brutally obvious in his not caring about Walt's future with Sophie. "You'll make the right decision." Who says that as their advice to their son?

(2) Walt realizes that his dad wasn't around for his childhood when he's talking to the psychiatrist, and his mom was always around. This is also a moment that I question if Bernard really was faithful to Joan because if Walt doesn't remember him being around maybe Bernard was the one who was having affairs.

(3) Bernard fakes a heart attack just to keep Walt on his side. Walt realizes he faked the heart attack when he says "too many veil cutlets," in his response. It's pretty awful to fake a heart attack just because you don't want your son to be mad at you.

Plus, in that hospital scene, Bernard is so cold and indifferent towards Walt. He says, 'you were very emotional when you were younger' when he sees Walt cry. Then, instead of trying to comfort him, he just says, "we can make your room better, and you can have my [book] - as a present." Like "as a present" is supposed to make Walt feel better.

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Bernard didn't fake the heart attack. He said the doctors said he was exhausted. That could have caused some kind of reaction that he mistook for a heart attack.

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I saw a lot of signs throughout that Bernard genuinely loved his sons and liked spending time with them. He wasn't shown to be just sitting off in his study and being annoyed if they bothered him or something.

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