Outrageous plot hole


In the dodgeball training film, when Patches O'Houlihan is introduced to Timmy, Timmy says excitedly "Patches O'Houlihan!" like he's a famous person that Timmy know's about and admires.

But after the game is explained to him, Timmy says something like "I can't wait to tell the other kids at school" (about dodgeball), like it would be something new to them. But if it's new to Timmy and other kids he knows, why would Patches O'Houlihan have been famous to Timmy?

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Patches was a famous astronaut before becoming the worlds leading expert in dodgeball. He was very well known as the first man to land on Uranus.











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TwoMinutesToMidnight: "He was very well known as the first man to land on Uranus."

Attention citizens of Earth: the correct pronunciation of "Uranus" is Úrine-ous, not You-ráy-nous.

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Party pooper.




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Absolute rubbish. The correct pronunciation of Uranus is "you-ray-nous" and the fact that Americans are embarrassed by that and have started pronouncing it incorrectly is irrelevant. It's a Latin version of a Greek word and it most certainly WAS NOT and SHOULD NOT be pronounced "urin-ous"...

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Au contraire:
http://nineplanets.org/uranus.html
See this in above: 'Careful pronunciation may be necessary to avoid embarrassment; say "YOOR a nus" (http://nineplanets.org/say/uranus.au), not "your anus" or "urine us".'

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Sorry but that page is wrong and proves nothing except exactly what I was saying; that people have come up with a new pronunciation because they're embarressed by the correct one. That doesn't make the new one correct or the old one incorrect. As I said ... Uranus is a Latin version of a Greek word. There is NO WAY KNOWN that the correct pronunciation is "your-a-nus" or "urin-us". You can find a bajillion second rate websites that say otherwise but that doesn't change the facts. The correct pronunciation is "you-rain-us"...

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http://translate.google.com/#auto/el/uranus
Click on the little speaker icon in the lower right of the grey box to hear the Greek pronunciation.

http://translate.google.com/#auto/la/uranus
Click on the little speaker icon in the lower right of the grey box to hear the Latin pronunciation.

Show me any grammatical or language site that gives "you-RAY-nus" as the pronunciation. So far we've only seen your typed-up assumptions.

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Well the official keeper of the English Language is the Oxford English Dictionary so let's use that shall we? You can go to the OED site online to see the definition and pronunciation of 'Uranus' here:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Uranus?q=uranus

You will notice that it gives two slightly different pronunciations and that neither of them is "urin-ous" or "urine-ous" (as you put it). I will point out here in an aside that you are pronouncing the word 'urine' incorrectly too. It is pronounced "you-rhine" - with two distinct syllables - not "yourin".

Now then ... some people may be confused by the pronunciation provided on the OED site because it doesn't contain a little play button to click on. Fair enough. First you can look up the word 'anus' on the site here:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/anus?q=anus

You will notice that this word, which is pronounced "ay-nuss", has the exact same pronunciation as one of the two pronunciations of 'Uranus', though without the "you" and the "r" at the front. That's because the word 'Uranus' is pronounced the same way as 'anus', but with a "you" and an "r" at the front to make "you-ray-nous"; which is the correct pronunciation.

You can also look up the word 'Uranium' - another word which came from Latin - and you will notice that the pronunciation of the beginning of the word is "you-ray"; exactly the same as 'Uranus'. 'Uranium' is pronounced "you-ray-nee-umm", not "urin-ium" and 'Uranus' is pronounced "you-ray-nuss".

Just in case you aren't convinced though, you can go to the Collins online dictionary definition and pronunciation of 'Uranus' here:

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/uranus?showCookieP olicy=true

Where you will see that they give the same slightly different pronunciations as the OED (which - remember - is the final word, pun intended, on the English language) but that it also does offer little play buttons that will give you the two slightly different pronunciations, neither of which is "urin-ous".

Which hopefully settles this matter?!

;-)

P.S. If you go to the Google translation page that you provided and get it to pronounce the word 'anus' you will notice that it gets it wrong too and pronounces it in the same incorrect way that it pronounces 'Uranus'. The Google translator is a very useful URL but it is not the definitive source of any language.

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According to the Oxford dictionary to which you referred, the firstly preferred pronunciation, "ˈjʊərənəs" clearly has:
-The stress on the first syllable, not the second.
-The second syllable vowel sound is clearly an "ə" sound which is very clearly defined as:
ə ago
The first is what I indicated was the correct pronunciation.


The Oxford pronunciations are "Received Pronunciations" and simply list the pronunciations as they are heard in the south of England. The second pronunciation only tells us that some people pronounce it that way. The scientific community does not use the second and clearly states that the first pronunciation is the correct one.

It's the second pronunciation, yours, that is the later one, which is just given to indicate how one would hear some people, like yourself, pronounce it.

An analogous word is zoology. Oxford's primary pronunciation is zoe-ol-ah-gee, as is the scientific community's, but Oxford also lists zoo-ol-ah-gee, which is considered incorrect by scientists, and a sign of ignorance. Oxford only cares that many people use it.

BTW "yourin" indicates two syllables. How on Earth could I possibly say "yourin" with out pronouncing two syllables? And it certainly is not u-rhine. You're spelling a long i sound--positively incorrect.

Go ahead and say you-RAY-nus and ZOO-ology all you want, but, be forewarned; Don't expect to advance in stature in the scientific community, or to have you opinions valued very much by that community.

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The change in the pronunciation of Uranus isn't an American thing -- I hear Brits say it the new way now, too. I love watching science programs and the change came about a decade or so ago -- I'm pretty sure the British narrators were saying it differently before American narrators were.

There's one show from 1999 (I can't remember the name) in which the narrator said it both ways! I'm pretty sure he was told to say YER-uh-nis, but kept slipping back to what he knew and saying Yer-RAIN-is, lol.


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If that's the correct pronunciation, then we might as well change the planet's name to "Urectum." I know this sounds crazy, but that's actually a lot less embarrassing to me than the (clears throat) other word.

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I hear what you're saying, but it was clearly a clumsily-produced educational video. No one would pay attention to the details. It's not really a plot hole, more like a continuity error.

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You see Patches was the first adult to break down the game into 5 simple words for Timmy, Dodge , Dip, Duck, Dive and Dodge.

Now Timmy could remember these pointers and share them with his home team on the playground or at streetball games.

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It's possible he had heard of the name, but didn't know anything else about him. When I was in grade school I had heard the name Gandhi and seen pictures of him, however I wouldn't have been able to tell you anything else about Gandhi.

--Will.

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I'm pretty sure it was intentional, showing how lousily put together that training video is.

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Yes. That's the joke. Not sure why the OP is so aggressively fighting to not get it.

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Easy. The kid was acting. They probably paid the kid to be in their training video. Or gave him candy.

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amarillo513: "The kid was acting. They probably paid the kid to be in their training video."

Sure, within the context of the outer Dodgeball movie (the one in color) that would make sense. The fictitious training film makers would have said, "OK, now listen kid, act like you know that name and you're real exited to meet him." But then later they give him the "can't wait to tell the other kids about dodgeball",
which is the big flub.
That's all entirely believable within the outer, color movie.

But within the dodgeball training film story (Timmy's B&W world), it's a major plot hole, one which the color movie guys at Average Joe's should have caught and mentioned.

It's something like Inception. There're layers.

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I'm sure Timmy means he cant wait to tell the other kids about meeting Patches
SPARTANS!!! TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL!!!

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That interpretation almost saves the day, however, this copy of the script shows the true intent of the line:

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/d/dodgeball-script-transcri pt-ben-stiller.htm
Do a find on "at school"; you'll see that the script has Timmy saying:
"I can't wait to start my own team at school."


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