Not Really ANTM anymore


The models at judging don't seem to be as in it
One contestant said yeah ok thanks and the other
blew them a kiss. Really?! You already there?!
Ginger lipping off when she was sent home had a lot of *beep* to say. I don't think she would've felt so free had it been....
Tyra- an actual supermodel
Ms J. - an actual runway model & instucter
Nigel - an established photographer
Jay Manuel- make up artist

That's what's lacking. Not the actual ppl
but ppl of their caliber. Social media is about
popularity. I enjoyed the show because they would critique and guide them re: posing, makeup, runway, lighting, to get the best photo, how to work their bodies & hide flaws, emphasize assets,etc.

I don't get why they are trying to pass this off as part of the ANTM franchise. I realize Tyra is a successful bus woman, but why not give it its own category or just produce it Idk, I'm just not feeling it.

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Ya this cycle should honestly be called 'Americas Next Top Instagram Ho' because they're acting like flipping social media is THE most important part of being a model now. I bet they won't even do the go sees this season.

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Ya this cycle should honestly be called 'Americas Next Top Instagram Ho

Yesss!

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yes. they are trying very hard to appeal to the "youthful" demographic. Other than that though I feel like they did dial down the drama a notch and I find the judges to all be likeable. I hated Kelly Cutrone with a passion.

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'Americas Next Top Instagram Ho'
That is really all it is. I had such hopes because they all look like (and some are) working models. I wish Tyra did one more cycle with these girls.


Those who don't believe in magic will never find it -RD

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I enjoyed the show because they would critique and guide them re: posing, makeup, runway, lighting, to get the best photo, how to work their bodies & hide flaws, emphasize assets,etc.

Yes, I miss seeing legitimate and constructive criticism during panel. Everything seems very black and white; it's either just "We hate this photo" or "We love this!!" with little explanation.
Plus it bothers me that we get to see so little of the judges' deliberation. In past cycles, we heard their comments about every single model's photo during their deliberation. Now we only get to see the judges say a few sentences about the top two and bottom two girls, maybe, and all the contestants who are in the middle get ignored. It's annoying! I want to know in detail why the judges are making the callout decisions they are.
Perhaps these things are getting cut in the interest of saving time for all the annoying drama, which they might assume is more interesting to viewers... smh.

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Ia, I believe it's so focused on popularity, they dont need to deliberate.
There's no advice offered either because they have nothing to offer them. Oh well..

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Yes! I said almost the same thing in a different thread. The 'judges' are not specific about any of their critiques. I don't like this panel at all. I also wish the show would get back to the unique and artistic photo shoots. This selfie/instagram/Snapchat crap is so stupid.

This show has gone downhill over the past few years and I was hoping that a revamp would infuse the show with some new energy, but so far the only real positive I have is that they made it girls only again. The co-ed seasons were so bad. It had devolved into musical bedmates instead of a modeling competition.

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yes, this is what im missing too, the panel/judge time is so short, the critism is not really about the photo, i just wish they talk more about the photo like giving them critics and guidance..

if you want to run just run.

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What did any of those "actual" judges accomplish? Did they make a supermodel? I don't mind them switching things up. Getting modeling jobs because of social media seems more attainable for the show.

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Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.

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Nigel was a HIGHLY regarded photographer, Twiggy, Janice, Paulina and Tyra were all models, Miss Jay worked with and coached countless models, etc. etc.

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they accomplished a lot! Every piece of advice given, even small ones, likely helped those girls significantly with their modeling careers.

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What did any of those "actual" judges accomplish? Did they make a supermodel?


True, they didn't. But some of these girls are already models so if they do succeed it's more due to that. Not the current judges.

I think a combination of the two would be great. I agree it's nice to switch things up.

Those who don't believe in magic will never find it -RD

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I feel like it's America's Next Top "Boss" Lady now. I'm so sick of hearing that they need to be a Boss.

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Honestly I like that they changed the format up. I could do without the drama but it's reality TV. I like the panel, they're pretty chill. Being hard is good but a lot of these girls are already working models so no real need to destroy their self esteem.

The way they're doing social media this time around is much better too.

Also I'd rather hear boss over and over than any of the dumbass Tyra-isms outside of Smize.

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"I am just a grain of sand on your beach..." - FNM

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It's not just being hard, they virtually give 0 advice.

Tyra used to, in her better days, give the girls advice. Tell them what they should work on, showed them different poses etc

These judges do absolutely nothing to help the girls or explain anything other than "I like it" "I don't like it"

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Well... For the record, the one who lipped them off when she went isn't the first one in ANTM history.

Multiple girls left the competition in the middle, some of them were very vocal about it. Off the top of my head, Louise (?) from the British cycle went out screaming and there was a girl in an earlier cycle that just walked out without even caring to see her picture because she said she doesn't give a damn.

So it's not unheard of. There was also a girl Canada's first cycle that told the judges to their face she thinks they made a big mistake kicking her out (I think she was called Brandy?)

So it got nothing to do with the judging panel or their caliber.

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ANTM has definitely changed and not for the better. The focus on "social media" is about popularity and the number of 'followers' a particular individual has on the internet: these numbers don't necessarily indicate how good a model is and can also be artificially and purposefully jacked up or inflated. The new focus is interesting - I'll give the new angle that much - but unfortunately not an improvement, rather a disappointment!

The judges are not filmed giving much of a critique in which, as they used to do in the earlier seasons/cycles, they would explain how they arrived at a particular view (no pun intended) of a model. It seems mainly to be a "I don't like this picture, something is off about it" or vice versa. Very little helpful advice is given to the models by the judges and where they need guidance they seem to be left to their own devices. This is not helpful to the contestants and even if ATNM is a competition, surely providing some constructive criticism and advice to the contestants would help improve both the models and the show?

We also do not see the discussions between the judges about each contestant, which I always found to be one of the most interesting and revealing aspects of ATNM: this is unfortunately now omitted almost completely.

As one commentator mentioned, the caliber of ATNM has gone downhill over the last few seasons. Recently Season 10 of "Australia's Next Top Model" was concluded and it has not only retained everything that made "America's Next Top Model" compelling viewing but it has actually improved and, unlike ATNM, there is less nasty back-biting behavior and verbal spats that seem to characterize ATNM. A cynical perspective would be to say that ATNM now focuses greatly upon the dramas and tantrums that go on inside the house and between and by the contestants as if it were a soap opera. It seems to be more about cat fights than cat walks. Certainly the focus on sex and sexuality seems to have increased to the point that it is like watching a B-grade version of "Sex and the City" with rather too much of an emphasis upon sex and sexual orientation and identity. Yes, sex "sells" but there is such a thing as too much focus on how 'sexy' and sexual someone is. Together with the intense focus on drama queens and spats between the contestants and it feels like a show clinging on to the TV spot by a thread.

It is also notable that the recent batch of contestants seem overly blasé about having made it to the the house and they're much more informal in their behavior standing in front of the judges, if not actually flippant and disrespectful towards them - a stark contrast to the first couple of seasons. This likely reflects the fact that ATNM is now generally seen as lacking credibility and that the quality and quantity of young women (and, in the past, men) applying to the show has dropped quite dramatically. ATNM used to be highly rated with advertisers clamoring for spots and, of course, the sponsorship by cosmetics companies like Revlon and Sephora. This has ended and if there is no change to ATNM, assuming it is now even possible to fix what seems a worn out format on American TV, perhaps ATNM should end.

Thankfully ATNM did see many international spin-off series that followed the same format as the original ATNM (until Cycle 18 in 2012) and those that are continuing to air are thriving, like "Australia's Next Top Model" which was exhilarating and refreshing to watch with Cycle 10, whose finale was aired late last year, having a top notch both in terms of ratings and the caliber of the young contestants.

With regards to "America's Next Top Model", it appears that Tyra Bank's statement (made when announcing on 'The CW' upfronts in May 2011 that Season 17 would be an "All-Stars" version of ATNM) that there wouldn't be a "normal" season of the show anymore unfortunately really translates to mean that ATNM would, as the title of this thread states, no longer be ATNM anymore. Whilst enjoying Cycle 10 of the Australian version of the show last year I have found the American show, particularly the focus on the importance of social media, disappointing and overrated. Perhaps someone from the Australian version could get called in to overhaul ATNM: ideally ATNM would return to it's previous enjoyable format but, if that is not possible, perhaps it is time for ATNM to end before viewers tune out altogether.

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I don't want ANTM to end, but I feel that if they went back to the basics and got different judges it will be better.

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Ooh, god, don't even TALK to me about Cycle 10 of Australia's Next Top Model--seriously those girls are easily a head a shoulders above American girls in terms of raw talent and professionalism. The girl who won Cycle 10 was pretty obvious from the get-go, but the fact that there are consistently 16 year olds not even just allowed in the competition but dominating it shows how much better Australia is doing with modeling.

I feel like AusNTM has become for me what ANTM was in the golden years, focus going on the modelling jobs and not on drama in the house. The girls are all insanely nice and are always complimenting each other's pictures, and they tend to have much better pictures overall.

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I miss the two J's on the judging panel. Bleachy McBitchface and Social Media Boy are terrible replacements.

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