Traudl Junge's Credibility

"People see what they want to see."

Bingo^^^^^^

When the Russians were entering parts of eastern Europe that the Germans had once held. They were telling their western allies about the death camps they were finding. The British and American military and press didn't believe the Russians. They thought is was all Russian propaganda. It was only when the British and American forces entered Germany and found death camps on there own did the realize that the Russians weren't lying about what the Germans were doing to the Jewish people.

In the movie Schindler's List. Schindler knew what was happening to the Jews when they were put on the train. When Schindler's workers were being send off to the gas chambers. His aid and accountant, Itzhak Stern told Schindler that he's seeing the orders coming in. And he keeps seeing the words "special treatment" for the Jews. Schindler asked Stern "Do you think that the Germans had to make up a word for killing the Jews?" Stern said, "Yes I think they have. Because anyone who gets the orders for "special treatment" is never seen again.

Sadly it's proven in world history. People can and will turn a blind eye to evil.

the execution of many million civilians by a military force - not for any military purpose or as collateral damage but entirely as targets - is a "footnote"?

you have a very twisted set of ethics.

yeah, whatever stormfront fanboy

i guess the reason they didn't declare war on the soviets is because the soviets hadn't invaded their country - jeeze, what planet do you live on?

russia cooperated on dismembering poland to:

a] create a buffer region (russia was invaded after wwi, remember)
b] buy time to hold off an inevitable german assault, build an army & armaments to match the nazis, which stalin knew was years away in prospect.

the rest of the 'gobbling' was russia beating back the german wehrmacht at hideous cost, and largely on their own. certainly their own manpower.

the russians defeated the nazis. yes, the west helped, provided material, etc., but we were dillydallying down in n. africa and freaking italy, while the russians took the vast brunt of the ground war (churchill's 'plan')

now, this is stuff you should know.

i agree that churchill was an imperialistic swine, but give him great credit for holding it together during the battle of britain, and keeping resistance alive on hitler's western flank. also great disgrace (to both britain and the US, though we had the pacific war going in slight defense) for playing hooky during most of the years 42-43 to protect britain's empire whilst millions of russians did the dirty work, paid the price to keep europe, its resources, out of the nazi orbit.

none of which, in any sense at all, relieves hitler & the germans of the culpability for their war of conquest & all its extraordinary attendant atrocities.

Really Frau Gertraud "Traudl" Humps, was married with a Waffen-SS officer
called Hans Hermann Junge of the Adolf Hitler's escort commando.
Like so many germans after the war, she has much interest in be forgiven......