Plot holes 'major'?


Hey, watched the movie last night and I have to say I’m surprised to see so many write that the premise itself was illogical or that it required massive suspension of disbelief or revealed too few clues to be satisfying to the viewer. Unraveling Margot’s strange history was sufficient to plant the suspicion that she may be complicit in the killings and her father’s hostility sufficient to suggest he knew more than he was willing to let on. It leaves a lot unsaid in regards to the details of how evidence is faked and why a specific course of action is taken, but I thought that this is an exceptional situation. The villains in this story are not only resourceful and ruthless; they are also incredibly well-connected and incredibly corrupt with a very extensive reach. I found it interesting to consider all the proposed plot holes but in most cases I returned to my original conclusion that the story was logical. Am I completely out there? A few “plot holes” that supposedly undermine the plot and my thoughts below:

Why does the father not simply alert Margot to the hit? Why does he risk waiting until she is captured to save her?

Margot’s father cannot simply sabotage the hit. Neuville will simply come after Margot again. It is crucial that Margot, Alex and Neuville all believe a hit occurred almost as planned. Alex and Neuville should believe that Margot is dead, while Margot must believe that Alex is dead. With Alex dead, she has no reason to remain in France and every reason to go. Therefore, Margot’s father must not only create the illusion that Margot is dead, but he must separate her from her husband long enough to make his death appear plausible. Lastly, he must hide his own involvement. So the hit must begin as planned. Only after Margot and Alex are separated can he interfere and the first gunman has been shot is it safe to intervene and shoot the second.

Why is evidence of drug addiction never investigated? How is the father able to remove the photos from the autopsy report without getting caught?

He is clearly a very powerful man and no stranger to corrupt practices. He has already identified the body. The police force already directs their suspicion towards Alex and the serial killer. It is fantastical but not impossible that he would take advantage of this situation and use his means to suppress this evidence. The alternate explanation is that her experimentation with drugs is not considered relevant and the system too corrupt or too bloated with bureaucracy to catch the missing photographs.

How can Margot spend years without knowledge of her husband’s existence? Does she neither read her own obituary nor follow the investigation of her alleged murder?

I say it's possible. At this point, she has broken off all contact with family and friends. Google has yet to be invented in 1997 and establish the following and popularity it carries today. Even if she were to search for her husband in the years after, he possesses a relatively common name and has since changed his residence and employment. He had only just completed his medical training at the time of her disappearance and so there is no indication that Margot would be familiar with the pediatric hospital at which he works 8 years later. A search engine would return a number of hits. Even if Margot were to find Alex contact information though his place of work, we do not know if it would provide enough information to identify the itself as that of her husband. Some hospitals provide photographs and biographies of their staff but some don’t.

Digitized news media is available, yes, but is less extensive and widely read than it is today. Margot and Alex appear to live in a relatively small and isolated community at the time. If the paper in which her obituary is published and in which his obituary is expected to appear is merely a small local paper, she might not find either online nor expect to. As far as news coverage, I admit, this would receive some coverage but not necessarily the sort of overwhelming international notoriety we might expect. To use an example, the Craigslist killer story was big on the news when I left the U.S. for Italy but virtually non-existent abroad, and that was months ago, not years. If Margot were living in Madrid and soon after Buenos Aires, it seems conceivable that such news would escape her.

People argue that she would follow the case simply to hear her husband’s name among the victims and then realize he “survived” her or would hear her own name among the victims, but I’m not sure. Is she aware of the lengths her father went to make her death resemble the work of a serial killer? Would she necessarily become aware? Even in the most high profile cases, the number of victims is often heard far more than the names of the victims themselves. Unless the serial killer really limited his activity to her neighborhood alone (and we don’t have evidence that he did) I’m not sure “Serial Killer in France” would really be enough to pique her interest and shake her out of her grief long enough to pay attention. Maybe this requires some suspension of disbelief but not the huge leap people make it out to be.

Why does Margot not contact Alex by mail or phone? Why 8 years later?

It’s 2006. The case has been reopened and become larger in scope. This time it is more difficult to escape the news. Suddenly, Margot realizes her husband is still alive. The news provides his current whereabouts, thus making him easy to contact. However, she is smart enough to know that reopening the case of her death makes the world more dangerous for her: Neuville is also certainly monitoring her husband. This may extend to intercepting his mail, maybe even his monitoring his phone calls. A simple letter or email is too easily disregarded as a hoax or a cruel prank, but sending so much as a photo carries the risk of providing Neuville with definitive proof of her survival.
Sending an email with a title that only Alex would find significant (that would appear to anyone else as spam), directing him to a password-protected site directing him to a transient low-resolution image of herself transmitted from a non-descript and evidently foreign location, warning him that they “are watching”—all appears a clever way of alerting him to the actual circumstances without leaving tangible proof of her existence.

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Potentially another reason why the heroin addiction in the autopsy results were not followed up on is that the police knew she had provided an alibi for Gonzalez, a drug dealer, in the trial about Phillipe Neuville's death. The police probably presumed she took drugs with Gonzalez and out of respect for her father (or at his request) didn't pass that information along to Alex, who was grieving for her, and there was no reason to add to his pain.

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That is ridiculous.

The whole idea of an autopsy is to identify the cause of death. If there is any inconsistancies to how she lived her life (which there must of been numerous), then these are important matters and would not be supressed. Besides, drug use and *constant* drug use are two entirely different things. Two women who lived entirely different lives, somehow cannot be seperated in death? The police investigation into Margo death was almost non-exsistant. Simple question go unanswered.

Here`s another question, if the police suspected that Alex was involved (which they did), why didnt they confirm his story of spending the day swimming with Margo. Evidence of the lake would be all over her body and hair and even in her lungs.

"Come on, Doc. We`re not talking about a band-aid or a tube a Ungentine"

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Well, again Margot's father was apparently very high up in the police force, with a lot of power and influence. He already identified Margot and she was found with the same MO as Serton's other victims. Police are notorious for just looking at the obvious (hence the initial focus on Alex in the first place) and not delving much deeper, especially when the powerful father of the victim is insisting she was killed by the serial killer.

Why would they test for presence of the lake? The father ID'd her? Alex was found unconscious at the lake and in a coma. Even if he had killed her, why would they 'confirm' his story about being at the lake? What would presence of the lake had confirmed, that they swam before he killed her? I don't see the point.

How long does it take for "drug use" to become "constant drug use?" Based on the time-line in the past 8 years, according to the "official story" at that time, Margot had been sleeping with Gonzalez for two months prior to Phillipe's death, and it was at least a few months later when she was killed. Add to that the assumption that she had been using drugs for at least some time before she started sleeping with Gonzalez (which would explain how she got involved with him in the first place) and you have, what, at least six months?

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There are so many inaccuracies and self-serving points in your post, I dont know where to start.

Police are notorious for just looking at the obvious


That statement doesnt actually mean anything. They might "start" with the obvious, but question and clues lead elsewhere. If they had bothered to investigate all the details, it wouldnt have been left for so long.

especially when the powerful father of the victim is insisting she was killed by the serial killer.


You really need to educate yourself to police proceedure. Becasue he is the father of the victim, he cannot have anything to do with the case, ESPECIALLY with him being the Cheif of Police.
Why would they test for presence of the lake? The father ID'd her?


Again, a pointless statement. An autopsy is NOT performed to identify a body but to confirm cause of death. If the police suspected that Alex was involved, they would have to "investigate" his story of spending the whole day swimming alone with Margo. The obvious way to varify if that is true, is to test Margo for traces of the lake, as it would be all over her. It would be very easy to do.

The son of a powerful politican has been murdered. The only suspect gets an unexpected alibi from Margo. Are you trying to tell me that not ONE person is going to confirm Margo`s story? The obvious thing would be to ask Gonzales if it was true. Where did they meet? What time? What days? Their stories couldnt possibly match.




"Come on, Doc. We`re not talking about a band-aid or a tube a Ungentine"

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The son of a powerful politican has been murdered. The only suspect gets an unexpected alibi from Margo. Are you trying to tell me that not ONE person is going to confirm Margo`s story? The obvious thing would be to ask Gonzales if it was true. Where did they meet? What time? What days? Their stories couldnt possibly match.


Well, Gonzalez didn't have to say anything. We have no idea whether he took the stand and testified on his own behalf or not. He did not have to talk to the police at all unless he wanted to, and clearly he had no reason to do so if someone else claimed to be his alibi that appeared to be truthful.


As for the lake on Margot, again, there is no reason for the police to have done that. Whether the body found was at the lake or not had no bearing on whether Alex was the killer or not. Say they test the body and no lake evidence. The police therefore think Alex is lying about everything and he killed her. They test the body and find lake evidence. So Alex was truthful about swimming at the lake, then he killed her. Clearly the police didn't believe Alex at all until they found the body with the indications of the serial killer and at that point the evidence suggested the serial killer abducted and killed her. Lake evidence is irrelevant, at least once they confirm she wasn't killed by drowning. This isn't CSI where every little detail is tied up in a bow.

As for Margot's father's influence, the story is clear that her father had great influence and power in the police and politics. He obviously is well connected with the senator and has helped cover up and/or affected other significant crimes. His position, identification of the body and indications of the serial killer would have great weight, at least in the setting as indicated in the movie (i.e. in France, not in say Los Angeles or New York - and if you think that those in power don't have behind the scenes influence, you're quite naive).

Again, they had the father, a powerful and respected police official believing that Alex didn't kill her, finding the body with the MO of the serial killer, and no other obvious indications that anyone other than the serial killer was involved, the crime appeared solved "enough" for the police to close it and move on to other open crimes to solve. Police are busy enough trying to solve 'unsolved' crimes to spend time on a crime that appears to be solved and no one is complaining about it.

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No, once the police confirmed she wasn't killed by drowning, Alex got to be more suspicious. His story didn't match. But there's no way they could have proven it.

Had the murdered woman shown signs of the lake, it would have made Alex's story more credible.

And as Margot's father clearly kept insisting that Alex could not have been the murderer for eight years long (as is shown when the detectives come to talk to him the first around), one can assume, that he overlooked this aspect on the night of the murder itself.

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Google has yet to be invented in 1997

But Yahoo, DejaNews and many other search engines were popular at that time.

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