Forgive me, but, I DON'T GET IT...
Okay, so I'm actually watching the movie right now (it's on pause) and I don't get why Aviva is played by different actresses. Don't bother replying if you're only going to insult me. Thanks.
shareFirst of all, you do not need to apologize for not "getting" the movie. I don't even know if I "get" it (or if my understanding of what I "get" is even correct). However, I think that PALINDROMES can be interpreted in many different ways.
Were you able to finish the movie? The answer can be found towards the end of the film - when Aviva (now played by actress Jennifer Jason Leigh) is talking with her cousin Mark (it's in Mark's speech where the answer can be found). If you're still having difficulty, post back and I (and I'm sure many other posters) can shed a bit of light.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men."
Palindromes is a Minnepian Satire, much like Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. The reason for having so many actors of different race, color, and creed play the same character is to show that what Aviva is going through and the way she acts isn't unique, but that we are all like her. Palindromes is about how no matter what you believe in, people act similiar to even people who believe in the oppossing beliefs. There is a scene in Palindromes, when the anti-abortion mother forces Aviva to kill the baby. So while it might seem that only people who are for abortions take away the lives of young ones, so do people who are anti-abortion. Rememeber when Bob/Joe/Earl by mistake murdered the doctor's child as well as the doctor. This scene could be construed as Todd Solondz trying to shock people by seeing a young child die, but I see it that even people who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors, aren't just murdering the doctor, but his children as well, since by murdering the doctor, if the doctor who got murdered wanted anymore children, his progeny is stopped becuase his life was cut short. So by having the child get murdered as well, Todd Solondz is showing that even the extremestes who think by murdering one doctor, they are saving many lives by stopping the abortions being preformed, they are also ruining many lives, not just the doctor, but the children the doctor may have had if he lived, as well as his children's children, and his children's children's children, and so fourth. So even though the people who bomb clinics think that they might only destory one life, by acting in such an extreme manner, they are just like the doctor. And this is true in many issues as well. For example, the destruction of the World Trade Center was bombed because the homicide bombers (not suicide bombers, since suicide involves only killing oneself, not killing oneself as well as others, because if the homocide bombers are considered suicide bombers since they killed themselves, than the man as Virginia Tech could be one long suicide since he killed himself at the end). Anyway, just like the homicide bombers murdered in the name of God, so to did the President. Even though President Bush thinks he is the opposite of the terrorists bombers, he also is similiar to them, since when he said, "God is on our side" when refferring to the Iraq war, President Bush is causing the deaths of others in the name of God, just like the homicide bombers destoryed the World Trade Center in believing in God and that they will get 70 virgins when they die, or so they claim.
So the point of Palindromes is to show that when people act according to what they think is right without trying to understand the other side, they end up becoming the other side, so by acting with your eyes and ears only open to what you believe in and think is right, all morality goes out the window.
What anti-abortion mother forced Aviva to kill a child? I don't remember that? Joyce was pro-choice, from what I gather. She aborted her own child as well. She compared a fetus to a tumor.
And I don't think Solondz was suggesting that when you kill an abortionist, you're murdering all his future children because those children don't exist yet, so you can't murder them. If you put someone in jail, you're stopping them from breeding as well. I think Solondz was simply saying that people do things that they feel are right but that doesn't mean they are good people. They may even resort to doing the very thing they are opposed to.
This sucks worse than I Heart Huckabees ----Stewie Griffin
This sucks worse than I Heart Huckabees ----Stewie Griffin
ofcourse a baby would say that... he's a dumb baby
That's my signature. I wasn't saying Palindromes sucks. Nor was I even saying I Heart Huckabees sucks. I just liked that line. I thought it was funny.
This sucks worse than I Heart Huckabees ----Stewie Griffin
Hahaha, what?
"Well we all shine on, like the moon and the stars and the sun..."
I really like the way you put...
"The reason for having so many actors of different race, color, and creed play the same character is to show that what Aviva is going through and the way she acts isn't unique, but that we are all like her. Palindromes is about how no matter what you believe in, people act similiar to even people who believe in the oppossing beliefs."
That really sums up how I felt about the character change. I had my mom watch the movie, and she thought I was crazy. Then again, she only likes movies like Hope Floats and Sweet Home Alabama...
Thanks for explaining this movie because i didn't 'get it' either. I usually dig off the wall movies, but this one was way off. I didn't hate it tho, just didn't quite understand it completely.
Thanks again.