The sunshine family? Abuse?
I read somewhere in another topic that there was a hint towards abuse in the Sunshine family. I don't see this anywhere in the movie?
shareyou mean you didn't think that the father and the other men were acting like pedos for looking at explicit, naked pictures of aviva? naked pictures, mind you, that were taken of her while she was unconscious?... lord only knows what else dr. dan might have done while she was knocked out and he was "examining" her...
it really makes you wonder whether the sunshines and the rest of the crew were that religiously "fanatical" to the point of stupidity, or that they used their fanatical beliefs as a guise so they could violate the very children they tried to help. it could really go either way.
Hollywood films = how we want the world to be.
Independent films = how the world really is.
Now that I think about, yeah, I do realize that. I first thought it was weird he even took photos of her, but now I ponder a bit more, I see it now.
sharei knew there was something in those Jesus tear cookies, it looked like some sort of poison or makes her go unconcious. just a theory, its also just really creepy how friendly they are.
shareSOOOOO, when a pre-teen girl has sex (mind you, in most states this is considered statutory rape) with a man that is easily in his fourties, you are all fine and dandy with that. But when a fundamentalist christian family takes in a child- with no hesitation- and has her examined by a MEDICAL DOCTOR who happens to take pictures of what he considers to be sexual abuse (which by the way, doctors and law enforcement alike are REQUIRED by oath to provide evidence of what they consider to be sexual abuse) You think that the family who has her examined by the doctor is envolved in pedophilia? And not the fourty-odd year old guy that had statatory raped her?
There was no hint of child abuse (in most cases -I study this quite a bit) pedophilia is often associated with physical and mental abuse, and is quite often assocated with the parents of the child envolving themselves in sexual exploitations of prostitution and/or exhibitionism.)
Most of the time, children that grow up in these conditions, become unempathetic sociopaths. Many times these children will grow up to be quiet, and hurt things (animals, themselves, others) because they feel they need control over some aspect of their lives. These children did not exhibit these signs or symptoms; So your hypothosis is wrong.
By the way, there is nothing wrong with fanatical christians; you can raise your children the way you want to, and just because all the girls wore long dresses, and the children sang about how much they love god, doesn't mean they are being abused. Granted, sometimes parents that have lived a horrible life do not want that lifestyle for their children and therefore forbid them from doing the things that messed up the parents life to begin with, and sometimes these people take it too far, but there was no indication of child abuse in this film.
Go read a book every once in a while before you post on something you know nothing about.
So you really didn't get the movie at all, huh?
shareHey Allen, you read a book and take in a seminar or two about real pedophilia, pederasty, and the true pedophile and not child rapist/molesters. The crappe u spouted about how kids who grow up might deal with the abuse is possible as is the opposite. Glad to see that u read a slanted one sided view of the subject. A very Peggy Hill way of learning a subject.
share"SOOOOO, when a pre-teen girl has sex (mind you, in most states this is considered statutory rape) with a man that is easily in his fourties, you are all fine and dandy with that."
The topic is about the Sunshine family, not what occurred between Aviva and Joe/Bob. Do you read thread titles? No? It shows.
"But when a fundamentalist christian family takes in a child- with no hesitation- and has her examined by a MEDICAL DOCTOR who happens to take pictures of what he considers to be sexual abuse (which by the way, doctors and law enforcement alike are REQUIRED by oath to provide evidence of what they consider to be sexual abuse)"
I don't recall anyone--including the medical doctor--alerting any authorities. Also, I don't recall the doctor considering it to be sexual abuse. What I do recall is him saying to Mr. Sunshine, "She's a child-whore." Yes, a child-whore. Implicating that she is a slut, not a victim of sexual abuse.
Also, I don't really consider it to be common practice for a medical doctor to show photos of an unconscious, young girl's vagina--a"child-whore's" vagina--to two other men (neither being the father or legal guardian) in a closed room of a basement. How professional. And of course then Mr. Sunshine proclaims, "I've never had a slut in my house!"
How necessary were photos in this case? What significance is this when it comes to Aviva? Symbolically, these men of violating her. This circle of grown men looking at photos of her "de-virginized" vagina are self-righteous voyeurs engrossed in passing judgment on what is this young girl's personal temple. How invasive and disgusting of them.
I'm pretty sure Mama Sunshine was oblivious to everything--seeing as the doctor made sure to tell Mr. Sunshine first, and not her because he figured she couldn't handle it. Mama Sunshine called Aviva innocent out of ignorance of Aviva's past. Mr. Sunshine calls her a slut because she has a broken hymen. Overtones of a patriarchal household.
"By the way, there is nothing wrong with fanatical christians"
Except that the father of these particular fundamentalists saw to the assassination of a doctor who performed abortions.
So uh, I know this is late and all...
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"Tree's don't all grow straight, they grow however makes them happy"-Bob Ross
I'm pretty sure Mama Sunshine was oblivious to everything--seeing as the doctor made sure to tell Mr. Sunshine first, and not her because he figured she couldn't handle it. Mama Sunshine called Aviva innocent out of ignorance of Aviva's past. Mr. Sunshine calls her a slut because she has a broken hymen. Overtones of a patriarchal household.
Nicely put. My thoughts exactly. share
To me, Mama Sunshine was the most disturbing character of Palindromes. Also I found the most disturbing parts of the movie to be those shot in the Sunshine farm.
There's everything wrong with fanatics- fundamentalism of any and every kind (religious/ ethnic- racial/ ideological) is bad for brain cells. It's worse and deserves to be called for child abuse if imposed on minors in disguise of some parental preferences.
You're so right. I mean, ALL random truckes her have the right to know when 13 year old girls have changes in their vaginal appearances.
Every trucker should be aware.
ur an idiot!
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