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Why they leave to Manchuria (possible spoiler)

posted 18 years ago by elzosmid
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In the complete story, the last thing is, that the male and female doctors leave to Manchuria.
This is no cincidence.
In the 1930's Manchuria was occupied by Japan and thousands of Japanese peasant families emigrated there, encouraged by their gouvernment.
Manchuria was sparsely populated and Japan had a shortage of natural resources and arable ground (to grow rice). at the same time there was a surplus agricultural population in Japan.
So when the doctors couple leaves for Manchuria they are part of the war agains famine undertaken by Japan. Famine clearly a theme in this movie.

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[–] bogwart-1 15 years ago

That's all very well, but since this film is set around 1870 I don't see what relevance it has.

[–] elzosmid 15 years ago

I guess you haven't seen it yet.
There is the main story and then there is the envelopping scene of the daughter when she's an adult in the doctors home. That is the scene I'm talking about.

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[–] bogwart-1 15 years ago

Of course I've seen it, you silly Dutch person; I am not in the habit of commenting on films I haven't yet watched.

I don't know what an 'envelopping' scene is - there's no such word in the English language. Perhaps you mean the rather nicely-done wrap-up at the end.

Do the math, sunshine. If your earlier comment is taken at face value that would make Mitsu in her early 60s. You think?

"So when the doctors couple leaves for Manchuria they are part of the war agains famine undertaken by Japan." The war against famine? Would this be before or after Japan invaded China and indulged in wholesale massacres?

Anything else I can help you with, please do let me know.

[–] elzosmid 15 years ago

'enveloping' 1.360.000 hits in Google.

Free online dictionary:
en·vel·op (n-vlp)
tr.v. en·vel·oped, en·vel·op·ing, en·vel·ops
1. To enclose or encase completely with or as if with a covering.

Merriam-Webster:
en·vel·op
Pronunciation: \in-ˈve-ləp, en-\
Function: transitive verb
1 : to enclose or enfold completely with or as if with a covering.

Or did the extra 'p' confuse you?

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[–] bogwart-1 15 years ago

What exactly is your major malfunction? Don't try to teach me English. Yours is bad enough, unusual for a Dutchman, but my attempts are useless and I wouldn't dream of trying to express myself in Dutch. I have a close friend from NL and he at least wouldn't dream of attempting sarcasm on me.

The film is not enveloped by the closing scenes; rather, it is a filmic plot to give us details of the death of Yoshimura after the battle of Toba-Fushimi. The film is narrated throughout by Saito, and as he was incapacitated the last he saw of Yoshimura was his apparently suicidal charge into the guns.

That ending, with Saito, Mitsu and Ono, gives final details of those last hours and is thereby a very clever way of rounding things off without further narration or a scroll-past.

I do hope you're a better graphic designer than your ability to express yourself in a foreign language. All praise to your abilility to take part in a foreign-language forum, but don't let it go to your head.

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[–] bogwart-1 15 years ago

You're obviously a person who knows a great deal about such things. Why don't you tell me?

[–] chie0223-1 15 years ago

No, no, not the female applicator but rather the other definition of the word:
(Adj) A person who is a waste of oxygen; an idiot. (V) To act in a ridiculous manner; embarassing
So why are you one?

[–] bogwart-1 15 years ago

You seem to have a tenuous grasp of English and an inability to express yourself properly. I suggest you trot on, little man, before Mommy discovers you're playing with her laptop again.

[–] chie0223-1 15 years ago

I believe I expressed myself just fine douche. Answer the question.

[–] bogwart-1 15 years ago

Let's see. 25% of the posts you've made on IMDb have been aimed at me. Not one of those posts has addressed the topic, but rather is a personal attack.

It seems to me that you haven't even seen the film, but just decided to have a go for no reason you're prepared to discuss.

You have no questions for me to answer, but I wouldn't bother anyway. I tend not to communicate with idiots who are only here for trolling purposes, so you won't be hearing from me again. Go find another grown-up to throw your teddies at.

[–] mrura 15 years ago

wow. "douche" is putting it lightly, i'd say. maybe go get laid to relieve your pent up anger and frustration, but stop sh*tting on everyone else here. you've clearly got issues.

[–] bogwart-1 15 years ago

Another little mongtard with - clearly - issues of his own. Don't decide for yourself about my non-existent "pent up anger and frustration" because I have none.

If you want to talk about the film then do so. Otherwise, if you've just posted for the sake of a cheap attack, STFU.

[–] mrura 15 years ago

you're a funny little man, but try to save your vitriol for whoever molested you as a child.

[–] vicky_lc2001-1 14 years ago

An example of a rude & ill-bred poster on IMDB folks.

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[–] bogwart-1 14 years ago

Looking at your little resumé here you exhibit many of the classic symptoms of advanced mental illness. I recommend you seek professional help as a matter of urgency.

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[–] kenjutsuka 13 years ago

It actually says, at the beginning of the movie, that the "envolpe" story where Saito and Ono reminisce about Yoshimura is set in the year 1899. This would be after the First Sino-Japanese War and before the Russo-Japanese War, but still 32 years before the Japanese Invasion of Manchuria. So, there was certainly a Japanese interest in Manchuria, but they did not yet officially occupy it even at the latest date depicted in the movie.

[–] Kawada_Kira 11 years ago

No, this was set long, long before Japan occupied Manchuria. The date at the start of the movie, where Saito is an old man on his way to the clinic and Chiaki and Mitsu are leaving for Manchuria, is 1899. Japan doesn't take over Manchuria for three decades after that. There's no relation to Japan's takeover of the region. It's just that the characters wanted to go somewhere far off where they could start a new life, and Manchuria was a good place to do it.

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