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I just finished watching all 8 hellraiser movies (I don't count Hellraiser: Prophecy). 1-4 were nice slasher movies that I enjoyed as a teenager and enjoyed agin today at 26. They had a plot that went somewhere, and a lot of gore. Hellraise 5-8 were "psychological thrillers" where you had a main charachter trying to figure out a certain mystery. 5 and 6 & 8 Were a lame spin of "it was all a dream". 8 had way too much sex, not that there is anything wrong with that, and every horror movie needs some, but I'd just as rather rent porn if I want to see that much. I don't know why people have to change a winning formula. 1)open door to hell. 2)cool and original looking cenobytes (not just lame bondage ones) come to drag your soul to eternal suffering (not just cut you up...)
I thought 8 might be better than 5-7 because it had a post modern vibe to it like nightmare on elm street 7, but alas not....
Clive Barker -Come back to make one last (GOOD) Hellraiser movie. I wouldn't mind seeing Kirsty again (the only bright spot of Hellraiser 6). Well that it I just had to rant. Comment away....

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Well, its abundantly clear that the strongest films in the franchise are the first two. Could it merely be coincidence that those are the two that Clive had direct involvement with? I think not. HE is the one who created this whole thing, and the less and less he is involved, the worse the films have become. Not to take away from the franchise, I thoroughly enjoy them all simply for the fact that Pinhead is worth watching. BUT, anybody can clearly see that Pinhead now, in the more recent films, is NOTHING like the Pinhead we see appear in the first two films. Clive has even made it a point to go on record saying that he HATED the fifth installment, and in case anybody hasn't noticed, he hasn't "presented" any of the Hellraiser films beyond the fourth film. He claims he does not like what they have done with the character (Pinhead).

Now, since he has stated that Pinhead will meet his demise in his newest novel "The Scarlet Gospels" because he wants the butchery of HIS character to end finally and he wants to do it HIS way and with "some style", I think it only right that Clive HIMSELF, come back and direct THE final film, and do it the correct, traditional way. The way that HIS first Hellraiser films were done. He has spoken on the DVDs about how he doesn't have it in him to direct another movie, but i think we (the fans) should push for him to do this. You know that after The Scarlet Gospels is published, people are going to be gunning for screenplays for it, to put it on film.

HE SHOULD BE THE PERSON TO END HIS FRANCHISE THE WAY HE STARTED IT.

as HellonEarth said...comment away...i want opinions.

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yeah,got to say pinhead came into his own in part 3...and its been down hill since then.how about giving peter atkins some credit...he wrote all that great dialogue.and yes i will tear your soul apart!

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The thing is with 5-8 is that they don't even seem like Hellraiser movies. If you take out the 10 or so minutes of Pinhead and the Cenobites scenes from those movies (less and less scenes as the movies go on) and then called them something else, you'd never know that they were once Hellraiser movies. Hell you might even think they were half way decent "psychological thrillers" if they weren't trying to pass themselves off as Hellraiser movies.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if the producers just took sceenplays out of a big box at random and said "How can we put Pinhead in this".

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And what if you take the less than 5 minutes of Cenobites out of part 1? How is that not a random thriller-drama about a women and he dead lover? The fact remains that Pinehad and the Cenobites were in Parts 5 - 8 MORE than Part 1 and about equal to Part 2.


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Yes you're right. The first Hellraiser movies are more monster movies than slasher...I stand Korrected...he.

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