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Gratuitous murder undoes movie (SPOILERS)


I've seen a number of people bring up two major weak points in the logic of the movie (Eyal's out-of-the-blue marriage to Pia and his ability to bring a gun to Germany). However, there's a basic one that I haven't seen discussed. I don't buy Eyal's central mission.

Eyal is assigned to kill a man who's already close to death, on a rationally and morally flimsy premise ("get him before G-d does"), with no proof of the man's guilt other than his boss's say-so (and hints from Pia), and he expects to do so without a hitch. When he can't bring himself to do so, Axel steps in and kills his own grandfather without any qualms.

By contrast, in the movie "The Music Box", when Jessica Lange's character finds out that her father has been accused of Nazi-era murders, she struggles first to determine whether her father really was guilty, and then to decide whether it is her place to take his punishment into her own hands. These moral, emotional questions are thrust directly into the foreground, and they truly make us think. In "Walk on Water", they're meant not to be examined too closely for fear of making the plot unravel.

Eyal's murder of the terrorist leader at the beginning of the movie, cold-blooded as it may be, traumatic to the man's wife and son who witness the act, at least could be argued to remove another killer from the world (although, of course, there is a limitless supply of killers, and acts like this generally perpetuate the cycle rather than end it). But Axel's grandfather is not about to kill anyone else. To bring him to trial and force him to face up to his crimes would be one thing. To stroke his hair and turn off his oxygen without a word feels profoundly unsatisfying.

We're supposed to feel some kind of triumph as Eyal and Axel both exchange perspectives and grow. But if Eyal is growing in that he appreciates the ramifications of murder and is unwilling to perform a killing for the sake of vengeance, then Axel must be dying.

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My objections have nothing to do with "He's an old man, let him die in peace." In fact, one of my objections is that his death was TOO peaceful. Dying in bed at your son's house, after having your oxygen tank shut off for a few seconds, without even being read a list of your crimes, is probably among the easiest ways to go. I mean, his grandson STROKED HIS HAIR beforehand, for crying out loud. So if I were looking for a gratifying movie vengeance killing, this would not be it. If it really were upon Eyal, Menachem, and/or Axel to make the grandfather suffer what his victims had, I'd have to call their efforts a miserable failure. I personally think that the grandfather's being accused in public would have been much more gratifying, even if he died immediately afterwards.

By the way, many take issue with the idea that "An eye for an eye" means that the Bible encourages vigilantism, or the reenactment of a perpretrator's crimes on him- or herself. The section from which the quote comes is all about rooting punishment within law and not letting a perpetrator get away with murder because s/he happens to be wealthy or powerful -- a rich man's eye is equivalent to a poor man's eye.

In the real world, as opposed to the movie world, I'm not a big fan of going around the law in order to get the bad guys, especially when it doesn't seem necessary (and when it could seriously ruin the lives and future accomplishments of people like Eyal and Axel, for no good reason). But in the movie world, at least vigilantism should be satisfying. This wasn't.

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Interesting discussion going on here. I did not see Axel's patricidal act as 'vigilantism' of the sort that was meant to provide catharsis for the audience. I think it was a deeply personal reaction - he already knew that there was evil in his family, but in an abstract sense. Then he got a first-hand taste of evil in the subway. And at his father's party he realized how completely the poison had corrupted his parents. In stroking his grandfather's face he was touching evil in his own flesh and blood.

Turning off the oxygen was a sort of exorcism for Axel. He did it for himself and his sister, and in defiance of his parents. I think we are meant to believe that the grandfather recognized his killer (when he gasped and opened his eyes) and so died knowing that his grandson had rejected all that he stood for.

But that's just my theory. The filmmakers intentionally left some things ambiguous, and this was one of them.

"Nothing personal. Your name just happened to come up."

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Capital punishment is wrong. Especially in this situation.

Read Camus' Reflections on a Guillotine.



i like this stuff.

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Capital punishment isn't only a wrong, I think all the partisans of capital punishment are criminals, because there are many exemples of people executed for mistake, and that is irreversible. Eyal is a criminal, and also Axel killing her own grandfather; that's worse than he had killed Eyal for try to commit that crime. Unfortunately, most of protestant and jews are very murdering fans, they like "an eye for an eye", the worst respects of Bible; they like so guns and killing, and that's a trouble and a shame for humanity.

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I thought the film spelled out pretty simply why Axel killed him. In the subway scene after Eyal pulls the gun on the men who beat up the transvestites, Axel says something along the lines of "I wish you had killed him. People like that pollute the world." He saw that his grandfather was one of those people and he killed him.

But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say 'S***!, it's raining!'

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I agree. I have never seen this movie but have read the spoilers, but I love the way you explained this scene. It makes me want to watch this movie even more.

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I'm agree. I cannot grasp yet why Axel killed his soon-to-die grandfather. Did he killed him out of pity? In order to avoid him, weeks, months of suffering? I mean it was a sort of euthanasia?
Or he did hate him and simply wanted him to die? If that is the case then Axel didn't learn anything about Eyal's and his moral conflicts.

Whatever was the reason, the killing of that old man feels unnecessary. Once the mossad killer learn that he should not kill anyone anymore, Axel killing his own granddad is a quite anticlimatic scene. Specially when his granddad was apparently happy to see his son for the first time in decades and his grandson for the first time ever. I know that for Axel and Pia his grandfather was less than a ghost. But still wouldn't be better to let the man die by natural causes in a week, a month or so?

What's the point Eytan Fox wanted to make? Or was it an allegory about "killing" your past?
Eyal (who symbolizes Israel) who is obsessed with his past, becomes free just until he decides to stop the revenge nonsense and to forgive. He became free just until he "killed" the ghost of his past. Is Alex doing something similar?

I dunno. But it makes no sense to me. Not to mention that capital punishment is accepted only by people with barbaric and primitive mentalities. That's why Capital Punishment have been banned from EVERY democracy (except in USA and Japan, the shameful exceptions).

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In some ways it was an act of love towards Eyal.

Also, remember that Axel went through some sort of change, although the film didn't dwell on it, after the scene with the homophobe fascists in the metro, when he, a self-styled pacifist, starts talking about how "those sort of people" should have been killed. This makes him understand Eyal a bit more, and could have contributed to his motivations.

"Sometimes you have to take the bull by the tail, and face the truth" - G. Marx

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Thanks for the "n".

"Sometimes you have to take the bull by the tail, and face the truth" - G. Marx

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It would be nice to fix your title - it's a semi-spoiler in and of itself. Just a suggestion, hope you don't mind.

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