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I wrongly supposed Georgie was Queen Elizabeths Dad


I wrongly supposed Georgie was our Queen Elizabeth's Dad, because he was king George the VI, but in the film in the little bit he was in it Geaore VI was known as Bertie.

His older brother who abdicated giving him the throne Edward VIII was known in the film and in his youth as David.

I loved the film, so interesting, but occasionally it could have done with so captions on screen to tell you where you were, and a little more clarity about who was who.

My heart went out to poor little Johnny, I guess in that age he had a much better fate than many children with the same condition, but still it was so sad, him being shut out for an illness, I was so glad he had loyal Gorgie and Lala.

It was horrible the Russian family getting executed as well,





Grand Duchess Anastasia Nicholaevna was born on June 18, 1901. Her parents were Nicholas II, the last tsar of Russia, and his wife Alexandra. Anastasia had three elder sisters: Olga, Tatiana, and Maria. Her only brother, Alexei (often translated as "Alexis"), was born in 1904.

For years Russia had been in upheaval. Anastasia's great-grandfather, Tsar Alexander II, freed the serfs and was known as the Tsar-Liberator, but in 1881 his carriage was bombed by a terrorist group called People's Will. Alexander was carried unconscious to the Winter Palace, where family members, including his thirteen-year-old grandson Nicholas, watched him die. Alexander II was succeeded by his son, Alexander III, Nicholas's father. Unlike his father, Alexander III believed in autocracy and opposed liberal reforms. He persecuted minorities, especially Jews.

Nicholas grew up to be a kind and gentle young man. He spoke French, English, and German, and was an excellent dancer and horseman. But he was given little training for his future role as tsar. His father was still in his forties when Nicholas reached adulthood, and no one expected Nicholas to inherit the throne for many years.

Nicholas's wife Alexandra was born Alix, Princess of Hesse-Darmstadt, the daughter of Princess Alice of England and Grand Duke Louis of Hesse. Alexandra was seen by many as cold and remote, but she had started life as a warm, happy child nicknamed Sunny. When Alix was six her mother died and Alix became withdrawn. For the rest of her life she appeared cool and aloof to those who didn't know her well.

Alix was 12 and Nicholas 16 when they first met. Nicholas was smitten with Alix right away. When they were older they met again and fell in love, and in 1894 they became engaged.

Soon after their engagement Alexander III died and 26-year old Nicholas became tsar. He said at the time, "I am not prepared to be a tsar. I never wanted to become one." His first decree proclaimed Alix's new name, Alexandra Feodorovna. A week after Alexander III's funeral, Nicholas and Alexandra married.

Nicholas and Alexandra were caring parents who spent a lot of time with their children. Anastasia and her sisters were close, and sometimes signed themselves collectively OTMA (their initials). The family lived quietly in the Alexander Palace at Tsarkoe Selo. This "simple" palace had over 100 rooms but was smaller than the nearby Catherine Palace, built by Catherine the Great to outshine Versailles.

Anastasia as a Girl
Anastasia was the youngest, most intelligent and most michievous of the tsar's daughters. She was an excellent mimic and enjoyed pranks and practical jokes. Anastasia's childhood playmate Tatiana Botkin described her as "lively and rough . . . roguish." Her cousin Princess Xenia described her as "frightfully temperamental, wild and rough." Years later Tatiana Botkin and Princess Xenia met Anna Anderson. Both believed that Anderson was Anastasia.

But Anastasia had a gentle side. She was kind to her dogs: Shipka, who died of a brain disease, and Jemmy, a spaniel who died with the imperial family. And she was loving toward her sick brother. Few people outside the family knew that Alexei suffered from hemophilia, a disorder in which blood doesn't clot properly, causing internal bleeding. The smallest bump could cause Alexei agony, so he wasn't permitted play active games. Alexandra spent much of her time worrying about her son, who was unlikely to survive to adulthood.

Anastasia had light brown hair (sometimes described as reddish blonde) and blue eyes. Like her mother and sisters she was a beauty, although as a teen she became rather fat. She shared a bedroom with her sister Maria, whom she dominated. Their room adjoined Olga and Tatiana's. The girls' quarters were separate from their parents'. They were raised relatively simply, bathing in cold water, sleeping on hard camp beds. The beds went with them everywhere, even to Germany when the girls visited their Uncle Ernst. They slept in these same beds until the night they died.

Like her sisters, Anastasia spoke English and Russian. Because of their isolation from the outside world, the girls' Russian was somewhat childish.

Rasputin and the Revolution
Nicholas II's reign lasted for over 22 years. He continued his father's policies of suppressing reform and persecuting minorities. His critics said that he listened too much to his advisors. Socialist groups agitated for the overthrow of the tsar's regime and the creation of a classless society. The Revolution of 1905 began when government troops fired on a crowd of workers who were marching to petition the tsar. This "bloody Sunday" caused peasant revolts, workers' strikes and naval mutinies. The Duma, a national parliament, was established, but it was hostile toward Nicholas and he dissolved it after 10 weeks. Later Duma conventions met the same fate.

Meanwhile Alexandra was preoccupied with her attempts to help her sick son. She turned to Rasputin, a controversial holy man. Rasputin (1872-1916) had been born Grigori Yefimovich, the son of a Siberian farmer. As a young man Grigori was a drunken rake, so fellow villagers nicknamed him Rasputin, or "dissolute." One day Rasputin claimed to have received a vision from God. He became a wandering monk, apparently adept at healing.

Rasputin did seem to have the power to help Alexei. One on occasion in 1912, when the tsarevich was on the verge of death, Rasputin sent a telegram saying, "The Little One will not die," and Alexei recovered. Rumors circulated about Rasputin's wild life when he was away from the imperial family, but Nicholas, Alexandra and their children trusted him completely, and he was always on his best behavior with them. Few people knew about Alexei's illness, so few understood why the imperial family chose to associate with the dirty, disreputable "mad monk."

World War I began in 1914, and Nicholas personally took command of the Russian army the following year. In his absence Alexandra ran the government with Rasputin as her advisor. Many ministers resigned or were fired, and their posts filled by supporters of Rasputin. The government started to crumble. In 1916 a band of conspirators, including members of the imperial family, invited Rasputin to supper. According to the conspirators, they gave Rasputin poison, but it had no effect. They shot him and still he did not die. At last they tied him up and threw him into a river, where he drowned. Rasputin was gone, but the damage he had done to image of the imperial family was irreparable.

Disgusted by war losses and food shortages, workers in Petrograd and Moscow rioted. Mutiny spread through the military. On March 15, 1917 Nicholas was forced to abdicate.

Captivity and Execution
At the time of the abdication Anastasia and her siblings were suffering from measles. While they were confined to their beds the palace was taken over by soldiers. The imperial family were now prisoners. When the children recovered they went outside each day with their parents to walk in the park, where they were harassed and jeered.

The imperial family had little peace during their months of captivity. Once, while sewing, Anastasia leaned repeatedly over a table. As she did so she moved back in forth in front of two colored lamps. Soldiers outside the window saw the lights flicker and thought she was sending signals to some outside accomplice. They burst in and searched the room, but of course found nothing.

Eventually the imperial family was moved to Siberia. Their guards were rude and threatening. Anastasia and her sisters were not permitted to lock their bedroom door at night. Guards even followed the girls into the bathroom.

The imperial family lived at Ipatiev House in Ekaterinburg for 78 days. Their last day was July 16, 1918. Late that night, the family was awakened and told to get dressed. After midnight they were taken to the cellar where, believing they were to be photographed, they stood in two rows. Anastasia, carrying her dog Jemmy, stood with her sisters, their doctor, and three servants.

Suddenly armed men burst into the room and began firing. Anastasia's parents and sister Olga died at once, as did Dr. Botkin and two servants. But bullets bounced off Anastasia, Tatiana and Maria and ricocheted around the room. Unbeknownst to the men, the girls had sewn diamonds into their clothes so that they could smuggle them from place to place. This was what caused the bullets to bounce off them, but to the soldiers it appeared miraculous. Astounded and scared, they kept firing. Tsarevich Alexei was on the floor, groaning but alive, so one soldier shot him in the head.

It was a chaotic scene. The cellar was filled with smoke. Anastasia was seen huddled against the wall, covering her head with her arms. Eventually Tatiana and Maria died. A maid who did not die from the gunshots was bayoneted. By some accounts, Anastasia was also bayoneted many times. There is much confusion about how Anastasia died. Some people refuse to believe that she died at all.

The Romanovs Remembered
The remains of the imperial family were exhumed in 1991. Portions of nine skeletons were found, and DNA testing confirmed they included Nicholas, Alexandra, and three of their daughters. Two bodies remain missing. The consensus is that they are those of Alexei and one of his sisters, possibly Anastasia.

On July 17, 1998, eighty years after the assassination, the imperial family and those who died with them were buried in the St. Catherine Chapel of St. Peter and Paul Cathedral in St. Petersburg. Russian president Boris Yeltsin and members of the Romanov family attended the funeral, but senior members of the Russian Orthodox Church refused to attend due to lingering doubts over the identity of the remains.

As tsar, and even after he abdicated, Nicholas II was the head of the Russian Orthodox Church. After the assassination, he and his family were revered by many as martyrs and numerous miracles were attributed to them. The family was canonized as royal martyrs by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad in 1981. In 2000, the Archbishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church voted unanimously to canonize Nicholas, Alexandra, and all of their children as passion bearers, a minor form of sainthood that recognizes the Christian humility and patience with which they endured their captivity.

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His older brother who abdicated giving him the throne Edward VIII was known in the film and in his youth as David.

I have newspapers from before WW2 when the Mrs Simpson scandal was going on and it was front page news. Very interesting reading. After he abdicated the Germans courted him as a possible Quisling King after they conquered Britian. Somehow I doubt he would have done it. I recall a few years back a piece of their wedding cake sold for a pretty penny.

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wow I didn't know that, I can't think he would have done that either, a lot of people in the UK thought he should have been allowed to marry and stay King I think.

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FlorenceLawrence,

I'm sure a lot of people felt he should stay King but even so, they were the vast minority. One must remember, this was a different day and age. One where divorce itself was just not the done thing. Also, no one wanted a divorced American woman as part of the head of the royal family. It was just too unseemly. There too, there just wasn't enough time for the people to get used to the idea. Maybe had he the luxury of dating her 5 years in the public eye first it might have changed and therefore allowed a rules change.

But as to him betraying his country I'm just not able to convince myself of it. Not with what little actually made it out from behind the cloak and dagger things surrounding the nazis and himself. Some interesting fodder for fiction though. Which is always fun.





Grrrrr. One day I will learn which button I'm clicking to post or preview.












Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John S Mills

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actually not wow probably just tabloid trash news, they only need a suggestion from a cousin of a cousins, friends friends who thought they heard and they call it a story.

Are you from the UK ?

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No, I'm from Tennessee. My mother is British though.





Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John S Mills

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Actually, he probably would have, its well known in Britain that the Duke of Windsor, as David/Edward VIII was known after he abdicated, and his wife were quite sympathetic to the Nazi regime, I think Mrs Wallace even met Hitler once. They were friends with a number of British Fascists during the pre-war period too. Its very possible that Hitler saw the Duke and Duchess as a way of legitimizing his power if he ever defeated Britain.

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Mrs. Wallace? Her name was Wallis Simpson.

It's a common mistake that people think Georgie is George VI. George VI's full name was Albert Frederick Arthur George. His grandfather, Edward VII, was Albert Edward and he was called Bertie as well. Neither chose to reign under the name Albert, because of Queen Victoria's wish that there never be a king named Albert (Prince Albert was her beloved husband and Georgie and Johnnie's grandfather).

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Prince George who is shown with Johnnie and Lalla, is Prince George who later became Duke of Kent. The other George (who became George VI, father of the current Queen) was called Bertie within the family.

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yes he was the third oldest son the Georgie shown with Johnnie and Lalla, King George VI was the second oldest son and known as Bertie in the film

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Henry, later Duke of Gloucester, was the third son, he came between Mary and Georgie in the family. The order was: David (Edward VIII), Bertie (George VI), Mary, Henry, Georgie, Johnnie.

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Georgie was the Duke of Kent, and quite the most interesting royal of the 20th Century!
He was a friend of the stars, lover of the great British playwright Noel Coward, a frequent morphine user and active in both Royal Navy (just as daddy said) and the RAF.
He was the first British royal of the tabloid era to be blackmailed (a packet of his love letters to Coward were stolen by a burglar, who attempted blackmail), and died in 1942 in vaguely mysterious circumstances in a flying boat crash.
How come no one had made a film about him!

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he married Marina of Greece, and I'd love to translate here for you what I read in a greek book about the greek princesses ... the meaning was that all children of that royal family (meaning georgie and all siblings) had problems, were somewhat shy, had some kind of homosexual tendencies, some tended to alcoholism/use of drags ... and georgie managed to have ALL the above!

Marina sure had plenty to do)

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Do you seriously mean that the Queen had two sons named George? Please explain.

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Do you seriously mean that the Queen had two sons named George? Please explain.


No; George V and Queen Mary’s sons were all given different names. Their second son who became George VI in 1936 was not christened ‘George’ but was given the name Albert (I believe he had been born on the anniversary of Prince Albert’s death and the name may have been given in remembrance?). George V’s fourth son was christened George.


However when George VI (or Bertie as he was known in his family) ascended to the throne, he decided to reign not as King Albert but as George (I think this was done out of respect for his father). The monarch does not have to use their Christian name – Queen Victoria had been christened ‘Alexandrina Victoria’ but ruled as Victoria. And Victoria’s son and heir was christened ‘Albert Edward’ but ruled as Edward VII.




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Technically, King George V and Queen Mary's sons were named Edward, Albert, Henry, George, and John respectively. It was a custom in the royal family at the time to give a baby many names in honour of various relatives or godparents. However, this got tricky when so many children in the extended royal family ended up with the same Christian name. E.g. there were many Victorias in the family, including Queen Mary herself whose full name was actually Victoria Mary Augusta Louise Olga Pauline Claudine Agnes. So to solve the problem everyone was known by a nickname, which sometimes happened to be a middle name - other times it wasn't, like Queen Mary who was known as "May" because she was born in the month of May.

In the case of the eldest, Edward, who became Edward VIII, he was known by the last of his various middle names, "David". The second son, named Albert, was known as "Bertie" but only when he became king after his brother's abdication in 1936 did he make his official name as king "George VI". He was still "Bertie" to his family, but officially he wanted to project an image of a return to the stable traditions of his father, George V, thus "George VI".

The third son was named Henry and known as "Harry", and the fourth was always George and the fifth was of course John. King George V and Queen Mary's only daughter was the third child and named Victoria, but was called "Mary".

(I believe he had been born on the anniversary of Prince Albert’s death and the name may have been given in remembrance?).


Originally, Queen Victoria had expressed a wish that her offspring should honour her and her beloved Albert by always giving females Victoria as one of their names, and males Albert as one of their names (ironically, Queen Victoria's first name was Alexandrina and Albert's real name was Franz).

However, at the birth of their first son, Queen Mary and King George V decided they would give him the first name of Edward in honour of George V's dead brother, who was known as "Prince Eddy" (but of course really named Albert Victor). Albert was given as one of Edward VIII's middle names. When their second son was born on the 34th anniversary of Prince Albert's death, December 14 1895, George and Mary could not really offend Queen Victoria a second time, especially given the date of his birth, so they finally obliged her and named him Albert.



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fanaticita: "Do you seriously mean that the Queen had two sons named George? Please explain."
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If I may add on;

Queen Mary's second son was Albert Frederick Arthur George. When he became king, he was George VI, but was known as Bertie to his family, derived from Albert.

Her fifth child, older brother in the movie to John, was George Edward Alexander Edmund, and likewise went by his first name.

It would be about like giving two sons the middle name of James, Randy James and Harold James, but calling one son James and the other one Randy. It doesn't necessarily mean they go by the same name.

The first son who abdicated was Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David, and apparently did indeed go by his first name when he became king, but I suppose he could have gone by any of the others.

Prince Charles' full name is Charles Phillip Arthur George. I wonder if he will use one of the other three when he becomes king. Would be difficult in today's day, but I guess anything is possible.

Prince William's name is William Phillip Arthur Louie. He might be the next King Louie.

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Hi
King Edward 7th name David Edward but came to the throne as Edward 7th and his younger borther Albert Geoege but came to the throne as Geoege 6th.. but he was always known by his wife Elizabeth as Bertie.. there is a film about Elizabeth and Bertie.. some royles take their middle name and use it when coming to the throne but not all.. maybe one day prince charles will either be king charles 3rd or George 7th. its like prince harry his name is henry but its known as Harry.. hope this helps..
claire uk

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You've got your Edwards flummoxed.

Edward VII (1841-1910), the son of Queen Victoria and Price Albert, was christened Albert Edward. He was known as Bertie to family and friends.

Edward VII's first son, Albert Victor, died unexpectedly. So, Edward VII's second son, christened George Frederick Ernest Albert became King George V (1865-1936). George V married his late brother's fiancée, (Victoria) Mary of Teck, known as May.

The eldest son of George V and May was christened Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David (1894-1972). He was known as David until his coronation, when he became Edward VIII. He abdicated the throne, married Wallis Simpson, and was marginalized as the Duke of Windsor.

The throne passed to David's younger brother, the second son of George V and May, who had been christened Albert Frederick Arthur George (also known as Bertie to family and friends). Bertie became George VI (1895-1952)when he assumed the throne. His wife was Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, later Queen Elizabeth and mother to Queen Elizabeth II.

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I think the Queen Mother had the loveliest name of all! ELIZABETH ANGELA MARGUERITE Bowes-Lyon.






I do hope he won't upset Henry...

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Save your finger power, bore!

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We're watching this for the second time now. The first time I thought the same thing.

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One thing about the portrayal of young George, from all I have read, he was not at all as sharp and smart as he appeared here and would hardly have been one to stand up in class, posing intelligent questions.

He would not have known a fine Derby plate anymore than I would, from what I have read. None of the boys were the least bit intellectual or cultured.

Also I am not sure he saw John as often as the film indicated.

But overall I found it very compelling and touching.

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cluciano63: "One thing about the portrayal of young George, from all I have read, he was not at all as sharp and smart as he appeared here and would hardly have been one to stand up in class, posing intelligent questions.

He would not have known a fine Derby plate anymore than I would, from what I have read. None of the boys were the least bit intellectual or cultured."
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the same could be said for many of the present-day members of the Royal family as well.

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When they become king, they choose whatever name suits them for their title, yet not surprisingly, the family will know them by another name, in this case, Albert who became George VI, Elizabeth's father.

Charles full name is Charles Phillip Arthur George, and I suppose if he likes, he could become George VII.

It will be strange, especially today, as everyone knows him as Charles, if he doesn't assume that name, but I suppose it is possible.

Not sure of William's full name, but his last one is Louie, so I guess he would become the next Louie in line, if he decided, or whatever goes into these decisions where naming the monarch, and not just the heir, is concerned.

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Not sure of William's full name, but his last one is Louie

Louis, not Louie! Presumably after Lord Mountbatten.

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