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There is something that we can all learn from Hitler.


he was crazy and evil but in someways, very inteligient and still a role model.

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True, he is a good example of the amount of power and ingenuity that can resonate from a single person. Whether that power is used for good or ill is always the big question of course.

"As the unich said to Mosalini 'I haven't got one, and if I did I wouldn't show it to you!"

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I don't think that's being a role-model. I think that's just because some retards think they need an excuse to be racist bigots. Hitler was one of the leading people they latched onto. If it wasn't Hitler, it would have been some other idiot they decide to "follow".

Secondly, the ability to manipulate and brainwash people with fancy words of paranoia and delusion isn't exactly what I'd personally call "intelligent". That's just my opinion though. I have a father that does the same thing, but that doesn't make him anything special. It just makes him a cruel and heartless numbskull who preys on people who don't have a grasp on his mental illness.

I will agree that he was crazy and evil though. Read a passage in Meine Kampft and tell me how "intelligent" he sounds when he's talking about True Christians being the breakers of the "evil Jews" who hold themselves like Gods so the best action is to bring about their mass demise. That's delusion, not brains. Anyone with an IQ of at least 75 could do what he did. Most of them just aren't sheep who decide that they can own the world.

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amesv313, all politians, at least the successful ones, tell the people what they want to hear. Most voters are mindless sheep, and would not elect them otherwise. But Hitler's rise to power was a bit more than that: Germans needed Hitler as an authoritative, fatherly figure, that they could submit to.

Unlike other great european nations as France, England, Italy, Spain, Russia, etc., Germany was divided well into the 19th century, and its history as an unified nation, is quite short. After Bismarck, arguably the most unanymous german figure, Germans relied on the Kaiser, to bring the country together, and to tell them what to do. Their national identity, their own self-image, relied heavily on the Kaiser. When the Kaiser stepped down, after the 1918 defeat, there was a void, a feeling of emptiness, that the Weimar republic could never fulfill.

Hitler filled that void, and brought Germany back to the limelight of the world powers. He was not only an astute politian, he was also a very able organizer, strategist, and leader of men. His economic and military achievements, in rather difficult conditions, were tremendous.

We may disagree with him on many issues - and the ultimate results of the Third Reich speak for themselves - but no sane, unbiased person can deny his intelligence, thoughtfulness, and commitment. His skills and work ethics were something that you can hardly find nowadays, in most world leaders.

In this Hollycrap turdfest, however, he is portrayed as the exact opposite: Robert Carlyle, in this TV show, is to the real Hitler what the US are to Europe: a crappy, over the top, corrupted version of the original.

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"In this Hollycrap turdfest, however, he is portrayed as the exact opposite: Robert Carlyle, in this TV show, is to the real Hitler what the US are to Europe: a crappy, over the top, corrupted version of the original."


^until I read that last part, I was actually taking you seriously. way to be yet another anti-us bigot. "corrupted"? Who the F##k ISN'T corrupted these days or any day for that matter? "Over the top"? Germany was over the top. Britain was over the top. China was over the top. The US is marginal.

"As the unich said to Mosalini 'I haven't got one, and if I did I wouldn't show it to you!"

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Defining entire nations with adjectives usually bestowed upon individuals, is of course always debatable, and not a good start for any logical argument. However, what I wrote about Hitler can be considered fairly objective, even if it still reflects a personal opinion.

With that in mind, I can tell you that I dislike a lot of things about America, and that most americans I've met personally did confirm my negative ideas about them, as a people. Some didnt. But within 300 million, I guess its just a matter of probabilities.

Also, I'm not alone in this conviction: being «yet another anti-us bigot», as you put it, is rather common worldwide, for quite some time now. Maybe there are some good reasons for that, I dunno - try asking around, and see what you can find.

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"being «yet another anti-us bigot», as you put it, is rather common worldwide, for quite some time now"

George Bush II has often been referred to as the american Hitler. Of course, the circumstances are completely different, but he too had his reasons for being elected twice. Whether it was from cheating in the election or from his fancy words about god (we all know how fanatically religious and narrow-minded many americans are!) or from other reasons is debatable. But the average american, with their so-called patriotism, bought in to it. And so, despite the world's negative view on him, he continued to rule the entire 8 year period.

Baring this in mind, I disagree with you that America is an over-the-top version of Europe. America in general is a great, fantastic nation, that has remained strong and modern since the beginning. A country should not be labeled from the deeds of one or two men in history. Germany is a great nation aswell. Today one of the world's leading countries in terms of science, care and freedom.

I am a swede with an austrian father (and thus having a german-sounding last name). I've been teased and called nazi by supposedly INTELLIGENT people. Sweden, the country that everybody in the world loves, with it's great reputation, has shown it's true self. Countries change, people change, but reputations remain forever. Even the unjust ones.

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Electing Bush II TWICE, has no excuse. Most of America, or at least a great part of it, BELIEVED this monkey. TWICE. Millions of americans still believe in him. This says a lot about America, whether you like it or not.

Obama is a lot smarter than Bush (who isnt?), but most of us see him as just another tool, for Israeli-American interests. You dont fool anyone. You're the courtyard bully, the self-righteous tool of big bankers, drug and oil profit, that needs to be put in its place.

America is a disease, a fraud. We need a cure, another Berlin wall, this time in America. The bigger the fall, the more you'll learn your place.

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Electing Bush II TWICE, has no excuse. Most of America, or at least a great part of it, BELIEVED this monkey. TWICE. Millions of americans still believe in him. This says a lot about America, whether you like it or not.


62,040,606 / 307,000,000 = 0.20

307,000,000 - 62,040,606 = 244,959,394 American's who did not vote for Bush.

The problem wasn't that most of America supported Bush. The problem was Bush only had to manipulate a small percent of Americans to win the election. That's not including the voters who only voted for the party they support.

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Electing Bush II TWICE, has no excuse. Most of America, or at least a great part of it, BELIEVED this monkey. TWICE. Millions of americans still believe in him. This says a lot about America, whether you like it or not.


It says that Americans tend to vote for the lesser of two evils, which is how it always goes. By the time of the general election, Americans really don't have much of a choice. The critical part is the primary and nominating process, which is highly corrupted and mostly turns into a media-driven beauty contest.

It really doesn't matter who is elected since the two major political parties have everything sewn up. A lot of Americans recognize this and criticize the faults of our democracy, but for those of you on the outside looking in, you may not understand this or realize this.


Obama is a lot smarter than Bush (who isnt?), but most of us see him as just another tool, for Israeli-American interests. You dont fool anyone. You're the courtyard bully, the self-righteous tool of big bankers, drug and oil profit, that needs to be put in its place.


I won't deny that there is corruption within the U.S. government, and again, this is troubling to many Americans as well. A lot of Americans are here in the same boat. Many are frustrated as hell by the kind of nonsense which goes on in our government.

Maybe if some of you people outside of America and tried to help the situation, it might improve. In case you didn't realize it, people like you are as much a tool of the "big bankers, drug and oil profit" as well. I'll bet you didn't know that, did you? Every person outside of America who takes a belligerent attitude and wants to attack us merely gives more support to the militarists and the people you mention.

So many people like you seem to forget that America was in its place, and most Americans were quite content with that situation. There were those who thought that America shouldn't interfere around the world and that we should refrain from any foreign entanglements. That's why many Americans resisted our entry into World War I and World War II.

If you really want someone to blame for the way America has turned out, blame the Japanese. They were the ones who were stupid enough to attack us and cause our entry into the war, which led to the whole chain of events leading us up to today. The Japanese thought that we needed to be "put in our place" as well, but look where it got them. Of course, even though we were at war with Japan, it would have been politically impossible to justify a declaration of war on Germany, since Germany did not attack us. But Hitler made it incredibly easy on December 11, 1941. They, along with every other major government in Europe and Asia, invited us to the party. We would not have come without the invitation.




America is a disease, a fraud. We need a cure, another Berlin wall, this time in America. The bigger the fall, the more you'll learn your place.


It may surprise you to learn that there are many Americans who feel the same way, only in reverse. There are those who believe we should withdraw from the United Nations and other international organizations and treaties. There are even those who believe that we need a Berlin Wall on our own borders. There are those who believe that we're spreading ourselves too thin, worrying far too much about the rest of the world and not enough about the folks here at home.

But America is not the disease. The "disease" has existed for thousands of years, and we're just relative newcomers on the world scene. The worst thing we really did was fill the power vacuum that was left when the major governments of Europe got a bug up their ass and decided they wanted to wipe each other out. They had the whole world in their hands when America was just an upstart teenager, and now you think it's our fault?

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