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Hitler could have been a great man!!!


Had he not opted for the annihilation of innocent people, Hitler might have actually been regarded, to this day, a great public speaker and reformer. Its a shame that a man of his sensibility, should have chosen the path of violence and senless murder. I was recently looking at Speers plans for a new Berlin. Magnificent!!! Truly inspirational. This is the sort of centre Europe needs nowadays, to remind people of our great Western Civilization and its many positive achievements in science, art, literature. One things for sure. Murderer or no murderer, psychopath or no psychopath, Hitler was a true leader when compared with the so called leaders of today, who have done nothing but to cede our sovereign nations to to dispicable corporations.

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He was blinded by hate ... so he wans't a great man, more like an evil great douchebag and that's how human kind will remember him (as the evil bastard that he indeed was)

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Thank you porrasbrand, your post made me laugh because it's so simply TRUE!

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Exactly No amount of wonderfull architecture or technology excuses the evil of the Nazi's.

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He was blinded by hate ... so he wans't a great man, more like an evil great douchebag and that's how human kind will remember him (as the evil bastard that he indeed was)
He was another example of how religion poisons everything. If he had not gone off on the loonie christian crusade everything the OP said could have been true.

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Believe what you want about the man history knows as Adolf Hitler but he turned around the economic state that Germany, and the world, was in at the time. Thank Adolf Hitler for ending The Great Depression. Don't believe me? Read a book and learn it for yourself. There was a reason why "Time" magazine named him "Man of the Year" in 1938.

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im glad he's dead.

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"im glad he's dead."

yeah, we're so much safer now! Right?

sigh...


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This is the sort of centre Europe needs nowadays, to remind people of our great Western Civilization

I can imagine the OP saying this aloud while making all sorts of weird arm/hand gestures.

Worrying.

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I wish people would stop turning things personal in every single thread when their opinions clash.

Whatever happened to reasonable debate??

Anyway, for what it's worth I think he was a decent politician and obviously a good speaker. But the extreme circumstances that beheld Germany was the reason he came to power, without those he would just be another silly little leader of some extremist goons like the BNP are today. Obviously he was clever enough to use these circumstances to his advantage but without his passion for hate, their would be nothing to the man.
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hello discopants. great name by the way? yes, he was a great public speaker, if only because he was a murderous psychopath. he was clinically insane. the man represents EVIL. but in my reply to pr65, i was responding to his comment about 'islam destroying europe'. that is what i found to be offensive. there is no reasonable debate with a person who says things of such a nature.

Just because i live in London does not mean i walk around with a bowler hat and an umbrella

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"islam destroying europe"

This is a wrong choice of words. Islam is in no way intending to destroy Europe. But a problem that exists between certain Europeans ans Islamic people is disrespect. A lot of Islamic people living in Europe (but certainly not all!) behave as if they were in their home country, even in public. And that is a total lack of respect for the people who accepted you into their country. This is why discrimination and rasism exists. It always comes from somewhere...

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Hitler a great man? Had he died in 1938, he might (according to Guido Knopp) have been remembered as one of Germany's great politicians, responsible for the country's military & economic restoration, as well as renewing national pride.

However, the Wirtshaftswunder which brought a decline in unemployment relied heavily upon financial decoy, much to the despair of the Treasury. The upscaling of the Reichswehr -in violation of the despised Versailles Treaty-into a state-of-the-art army designed for swift warfare served but a single purpose, a war for which the civilian population felt little need.


Underneath, even reversing the outcome of the Great War into a continental empire next to Britain & the USA was not Hitler's goal. That was the elimination of the Jews in Europe. We will never be able to fully understand this, as the trauma of the Armistice came BEFORE his transformation into an antisemite. He had many Jewish acquaintances in Vienna upon who purchased his postcards and occasionally provided material support. He didn't blame the Jews for the course of the war, either, but did enthousiastically embrace the Dagger myth when it surfaced.

This puts his chance of a benign legacy at risk. In his time he was able to conceal, explain or deny his drastic measures to some degree: the first concentration camps, the extermination of the mentally disabled, the Neurenberg laws, the Night of the Long Knives... all of which the scrutiny of history has unearthed, in spite of the widespread destruction of documents in the last stage of the war. Add to that the years of open street violence by the SA.

Hence, a Hitler claim to famy rather than infamy is futile.

P.S. Speaking strictly from an architectural POV, his plans for Berlin were indeed magnificent.










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Except Germany's military & economic restoration meant absolutely nothing if unable circumvent the, for the most part, unreasonable Versailles Treaty's terms.

I think it would be interesting to gauge how useful "Genocide Aversion" is for putting down the Third Reich, while efforts to stop recent genocides are nearly non-existent. Also the notion brought to my attention from some random documentary I watched, noting the absurdity of the Allied Forces' claims that the Jewish genocide was completely unknown until soldiers stumbled upon the death camps. Not to mention how, throughout the whole ordeal, Jews were never encouraged to immigrate out of Germany and surrounding area, but actually barred entry into England and USA.

Well... But now we're all certain it will never happen again et al. :)

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Hitler's ultimate goal was not the elimination of the Jews. This was a part of his aim, but not the grand strategy, which was the domination of the Aryan race, and world domination. all religions, all people who were not going to fit this model, would have been a target.

Just because i live in London does not mean i walk around with a bowler hat and an umbrella

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Underneath, even reversing the outcome of the Great War into a continental empire next to Britain & the USA was not Hitler's goal. That was the elimination of the Jews in Europe. We will never be able to fully understand this, as the trauma of the Armistice came BEFORE his transformation into an antisemite. He had many Jewish acquaintances in Vienna upon who purchased his postcards and occasionally provided material support. He didn't blame the Jews for the course of the war, either, but did enthousiastically embrace the Dagger myth when it surfaced.


I think you've got this the wrong way around. He was not politically motivated until the Treaty of Versailles, and it was that Treaty that lead him to make his fateful speech to the [then, I believe] NSD and start it all. Once the camps started he had a committee set up to work out the best methods to make the fullest economic exploitation of the Jewish population that would be possible - it was indeed very thorough, down to tearing out gold teeth and then to producing soap from the fat of corpses (until this was found to be cost ineffective) The Jews may have been more of a means to an end - though I think the War and the Holocaust are so intertwined that neither can be definitively said to be his 'true goal'...

For example - invading Russia. The reason for this was the rich resources available there, but also the strength of the warning it would send to the remaining Allies. He did not need to cleanse the populace - Stalin had already done enough of this by far. What's more, he knowingly jeopardised the entire war, his entire government, the lives of most of his country, on that decision to send in those troops. His goal was the Third Reich, just as he said.



I suspect the problem is that you have too many paperclips up your nose

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Totally agree with you!

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History is Always written by winners;)
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Vanitas vanitatum...

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Except for the current ones of course, a really enlightenment brood this one...

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Yep... and you could have been something other than what you are, too.

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