A MUST SEE


There are many books available on this topic, but I've not yet seen such a comprehensive documentary on the facts surrounding the corrupted, and quite frankly illegal, election of a U.S. president. This documentary should be included in the curriculum of every High School and University political science course in America. What a outrage that, in "the greatest country in the world", and in the so called "model of democracy in the world", such an important election could take place in which so many documented shady and illegal activities could occur without extensive public outcry. I urge you to purchase this documentary and discuss it with your friends. We cannot tolerate another sham like this in 2004, It is an insult. Get angry--EDUCATE YOURSELF. PROTEST. VOTE. The world is watching.

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I appreciate a good debate, so....

On the felon purge issue:
Yes, actual ex-felons in the the state of Florida were legally purged from the voter rolls, but the data base company hired to purge voters (DBT, which is now Choicepoint Inc.)used very loose parameters in denying people to vote. For example, a minister in Florida was informed that he couldn't vote because he shared a name with an actual felon. His name is Willie J.Whiting. Every Willie, Will, William, etc. Whiting was on that DBT list as a possible "suspect", subject to purging. Those on that list, erroneously, lost their constitutional right to vote. Most of them are black, 80-85% of blacks in Fla. vote Democratic. The first database hired for purging was paid about $40,000 for the job. Something then happened, I don't know what, So DBT was hired, without any competetion for the bid, and was paid $4 MILLION dollars to do the same purge work as the first company. This is an outrageous sum for simple purge work. Several civil rights groups have sued and won suits against DBT for their incredibly inept or deliberatly false findings.

'Handful of rich guys'

Until we have true campaign finance reform in this country, candidates(in both parties)will accept large sums of money from big businesses in exchange for political favors. Those capable of raising the largest campaign budget are not the best qualified to run this country, or are they?

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I agree that i'd recommend this movie, but i'd recommend the subject even more. I don't think students should be forced to view this particular movie. However, this subject getting attention in high school (in the form of a book or movie, for example this one) is a Good Thing IMO. It'll probably not happen now, or soon. It'll most likely happen when this is "old" and can be admitted more easily. Fresh, huge mistakes happened in politics are usually not adopted very fast. Only later we admit our crucial mistakes, en masse. Politicians don't like to admit mistakes: the mistakes regarding the Iraqi tortures are only admitted now.

Speaking of Iraq and democracy, i find it extremely annoying and hypocritic that one country, which claims to be the land of the free and the land of democracy, choses to:

* Torture people and ignore the happenings (Iraq)
* Torture people, innocent or guilty, without the rights of consulting a lawyer. Thus ignoring convention of Geneva, ignoring EVRM, and ignoring the International Court in The Hague.
* Actually installed and helped dictators in the past (Allende in Chili, Talliban in Afghanistan, Hussain in Iraq).

It all makes me wondering how we'll look the Israel-Palestina conflict in 50 years...

I've been loving too much, caring to little -- TormentoR.

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Actually Salvador Allende was a peaceful Socialist president of Chile until he was overthrown in a CIA (this was done by Nixon) backed coup that installed Pinochet in power.

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Where can one buy this?

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is it available on DVD?

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yep - available here: http://www.dvdpacific.com/item.asp?ID=594413

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Katherine Harris was the head of the campaign to re-elect George Bush in Florida. She also had the power, as Secretary of State, to deny a statewide recount of all ballots that the machines failed to read initially.


So what? How is that relevant? Don't you know that this is common all over the country? Democrats do the same thing but this does not mean anything in the final analysis. Harris followed the law to the letter. The same thing could not be said of the Florida Supreme Court. A court by the way of left-wing activist judges who did everything they could to destroy the law.

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One things for sure, that was a set up in Florida from the very start.
A Senior coder, Hai Lin(Henry) Nee, a programer worked at an Orlando company called Azure Systems.
He had helped develop a coding program to reduce votes in heavily Democratic areas and flip Republican votes to 51 percent and keep Democrat votes to 49 percent. In the 2000 Election, according to the Washington Post, Al Gore was leading Bush in Volusia County by 83,000 to 62,000 votes. One half hour later, Gore's vote total had been reduced by 16,00 to 67,000 and some candidate saw a suddent surge to 10,000 votes in a precinct with only 600 voters (!) Volusia county had Tom Feeney, who was a crony of George W. Bush, and he basically delivered Volusia County to Bush. A mere 537 votes in the most controversial U.S. Presidential election in history. Florida Republican Tom Feeney, used Clint Curtis, to develop a prototype to basically control the vote. The machine was to be used to prevent fraud in the 2002 election. The protoype was to be written in Visual Basic 5 (VB.5) in Microsoft Windows and to be undetectible to voters and election supervisors.

source: Wayne Madsen's "Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops and Brass Plates"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen

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What I got most out of this movie is...how far do we have to dumb down the election process so that everyone can vote. Shouldn't we be able to expect that everyone can punch a ballot, touch a screen, or pull a lever...why is it so difficult for people to perform this basic sensory-motor function?

Come out of your corner and give me a good, clean fight. - Richard Steele

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"why is it so difficult for people to perform this basic sensory-motor function? ". Well, because it's not basic at all. It's a power struggle that has a lot to do with the benefit of the participants (politicians) and nothing to do with peoples' needs or choice.
You wanna know how people in power think? What methods, tools and tricks they use? Read "The Prince" by Niccolò Machiavelli, and/or "The Art of War" by Sun Ju. Very good for liberals who think the world SHOULD be a more just affair, for intellectuals of the Left who think the world can be ruled exactly like the others do it, but be morally correct, and for cynical thinkers whom everybody hates. They need the comfort most of all.

And for those fanatical conservatives: eat s h i t.

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it can still be found online?

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