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"CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS"

Documentary or Whitewash?

Have you seen Andrew Jarecki's award-winning film? Did it leave you with the impression that Jesse Friedman and maybe his father, Arnold, were victims of a witch hunt conducted by an inept and overzealous investigation team? That conclusion is no accident. Jarecki omitted incriminating evidence that might have made you think differently about Jesse and Arnold. Consider this information, and decide for yourself if this well-reviewed "documentary" can be trusted.

1. What Arnold and Jesse admitted under oath: The film shows--but minimizes the fact- - that Arnold and Jesse admitted to molesting 13 boys, ages 7-11. Arnold pled to 8 counts of sodomy, 28 counts of first-degree sexual abuse, and also admitted to ramming a child's head into a wall in front of other children. Jesse pled to 17 counts of sodomy, 4 counts of first degree sexual abuse.

2. Arnold had an established history as a child molester: The film acknowledges that Arnold was an admitted pedophile. He admitted to abusing his own brother when the brother was 8. Although initially admitting to abusing only one boy, Arnold admitted in a therapy session with Elaine to abusing (though not sodomizing) two boys, one of whom was the child of his good friend. He went to therapy out of fear that he would molest his own children.

3. Was no evidence found in the House beyond one stack of porn? (1) Although Jarecki shows the House looking porn free and a voice-over says porn was only found in The Office, the prosecutor says in the movie that child pornography was found all over the House. (2) In 1986, Arnold Friedman mail-ordered "Boy Love," a magazine featuring graphic pictures of men having sex with children, which led to a sting operation. Jarecki doesn't say that other child- porn magazines were found on classroom shelves; the boys said Arnold used them to initiate discussions of sex. (3) Jarecki fails to mention that parents were not allowed into the classroom or that nine obscene computer games were found in Friedman"s classroom such as "Dirty Movie" ("animation of woman who undresses, spreads her legs and then masturbates/ urinates"), and "Seasons Greeting" ("animation of Mickey Mouse, dressed in a Santa suit, appears with erection and ejaculates"). An early newspaper report said "Talking Sam", in which a male figure exposes his genitals, was used to demonstrate and initiate touching games with the boys. Boys were allowed to take these computer disks to their homes, where a few were found by police. (4) Numerous children, ages 7-12, disclosed similar details about sexual "games" such as leap-frog and Simon says. (5) Jarecki didn't mention that child-sized dildos were found in a cabinet just outside the classroom.

4. What about the witness who was left out of the film? Jesse's friend, Ross Goldstein, witnessed and admitted to participating in the crimes, could identify the victims, and would have testified in court. He pled guilty to 3 counts of first-degree sodomy. Both he and Jesse pled to one count of using a child in a sexual performance (pornography).

5. Why didn't the boys tell anyone? Children "tell" about abuse indirectly. In 1989 some wet their beds, took baseball bats to bed, could not sleep. The children reported Arnold threatened to burn down their houses, kill parents, if they told.

6. Why was there no physical evidence? Jarecki fails to mention that the Friedmans pled guilty so none was sought. Physical evidence is typically rare in such cases. Many assume that child sexual abuse must leave gaping tears and telltale scars, but due to the nature of children's bodies, even when there are physical signs, most disappear in a few days.

7. Can Jesse's retraction of his father's abuse of him be believed? Jesse said in a 1989 interview that he was "halfway between loving and hating" his father. He said Arnold fondled and later sodomized him. Jesse started seeing a psychiatrist at the age of 10; he was diagnosed manic depressive. He started using drugs at 16 and was soon stoned on a daily basis; his weight ballooned; he had no friends. Court psychiatric testimony described Jesse's joy when his father turned from Jesse to children in the class. When interviewed on the Geraldo Rivera Show, Jesse sobbed while describing sexual abuse by his father and confessed to abusing three children. He said, "I fondled [the children]...I was forced to, to pose in hundreds of photos for my father in all sorts of sexual positions with the kids..." He now claims that his story and his tears were "fictionalized to win leniency". However, he had already been sentenced. So which is the truth -- his admission or his recent retraction?

8. What else do we know about the Friedmans? They often appear confused. Sometimes they remember that "it" happened, sometimes not. Arnold's brother and David hit their heads, saying maybe someday they'll remember something, but they don't, now. Jesse describes them as sweeping things under the rug. When Elaine saw one of Arnold's child porn magazines she didn't register what it was until she looked again. The film shows her being mistreated by her sons for questioning Arnold's innocence. Victoria News describes "one astonishing sequence [of the film], on the morning of one of the sons' sentencing, the boys decide to shoot footage while harassing the parents of some of the alleged victims."

9. What else do we know about Arnold? As a child, Arnold witnessed his mother having sex with various men. Elaine, in a 1989 article, said that her normally emotionless husband was almost in tears when police took his child porn photos. Arnold's motion from prison to have them returned (as well as the names and numbers of numerous victims) was denied. In the film, Jesse's attorney describes Arnold in a prison visit asking to move to another table because he is excited by a 4 or 5 year old boy bouncing on his father's lap nearby.




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Did you ever consider the possibility that Jarecki didn't mention this because it's not true? What evidence is there that it is true?

Oh, and what exactly is a "child-sized" dildo? If you were presented with a dildo (not that I'm going to do the presenting), how would you tell whether or not it was "child-sized"?

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State of New York v. Arnold Friedman. Motion for order requiring return of property seized from 17 Picadilly Road, Great Neck, Nassau County, New York, seized pursuant to search warrant of November 25, 1987. Motion #C-427, Indictment #67104 & 67430.

“Judge Abbey L. Boklan approved Arnold Friedmans’ request for the return of all property seized at the Friedman home with the exception of pornographic materials listed in this document. Materials include such items as: 5 pornographic movies, assorted order forms for pornography, assorted pornographic magazine cutouts, 2 partially nude photos of children, 3 sheets advertising homosexuality with boys, 6 photos of naked people, 3 battery operated sex aids, 1 hypodermic needle, 9 pornographic computer games (with descriptions), list of names and phone numbers of 9 victims, 2 registration sheets with names of victims.
This is what that article in the OP is referencing... the "3 battery operated sex aids"... but wouldn't those be more like vibrators than dildos? Regardless, the hypodermic needle is kind of disturbing, also. Then again, all of it is.



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Nice try, but no cigar. There's a world of difference between the following two statements:
1. Child-sized dildos were found in a cabinet just outside the classroom in the Friedman house.
2. Small sexual aids were found in the Friedman house well away from the classroom.
Hero has already conceded that "child-sized" just means "small" -- it has nothing to do with being intended for use with children. But where is the evidence that sexual devices "were found in a cabinet just outside the classroom"?

In a similar vein, I think we can agree that there is a huge difference between the following:
1. Child-porn magazines were found on classroom shelves.
2. Pornography was only found elsewhere in the Friedman house.
Only one of these statements is true. And it's not the one found in "Capturing the Friedmans -- Documentary or Whitewash."

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Nice try? I'm not trying anything. What a random thing to write. It's a fact that 3 battery operated sexual aids were found. I haven't seen them, which is why I just said that's what the article in the OP was referencing. You're arguing about size labeling with me when neither of us have seen the sex aids. So sure, you can argue that they must be small, but not necessarily meant for kids. That's fine. In fact, this might be a golden opportunity for you to tap a new market with dildos and vibrators for that specific demographic a la the Hudsucker Proxy... "You know... for kids."

As for the second half of your post, where are the reports that indicate that inappropriate magazines were not found in the classroom? On top of that, there's a whole list of obscene computer games that were found in the classroom. The masturbatory one we see in the movie, etc. Clearly it wasn't a G-rated situation all the time in that class room.

Like I asked that john dude who has passionately taken to arguing the minutia of rectal bleeding on this board, do you believe nothing happened to any children at any time in the Friedman house? I can understand how some people could have some raised eyebrows to certain elements, but overall, I personally do not understand how anyone thinks nothing happened.



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So I take it you're not aware of any evidence supporting the statement that sexual aids were found "in a cabinet just outside the classroom." Mind you, I'm not saying that there isn't any, but you're not aware of any, right?

Regarding the issues of the child pornography magazines that were supposedly found in the classroom (they were not), and the obscene computer games found in the classroom, are you willing to approach these issues with an open mind? I ask because in another thread I went to considerable effort to set forth what Jarecki would have shown in the documentary had he addressed the Ross Goldstein issue. For all my trouble, all you had to say in response was, "I just don't buy it. Agree to disagree." When I pressed you, you had nothing to say about Ross Goldstein, or any of the issues surrounding him, but instead wrote about Jesse's confession on Geraldo. Look, if you're not going to discuss the issues, but just dismiss whatever I say out of hand, why should I spend my time addressing these things?

If you are willing to approach these issues with an open mind, then let me know, and I'll be glad to address them. (It might take a little time; I do have other things going on in my life.) Just so I'm not the only one doing the work here, what's the best evidence that you're aware of that child pornography magazines were found in the classroom, and that obscene computer games found at the Friedmans were used during classes (or at any other time by the Friedmans)? So that we're clear, I'm not saying that there isn't any evidence, but I just want to know what your starting point is.

Regarding your last paragraph, "nothing happened" is a pretty broad thing to ask me to sign on to. Let's just say that I haven't seen any evidence that convinces me that either Arnold or Jesse Friedman were guilty of any of the charges that they faced with regard to the children. (Arnold Friedman was undoubtedly guilty of the Federal charges related to child pornography.) As I said in another thread, had the allegations been different, and not included all the various bizarre and frankly unbelievable things that they do, I would find them more credible.

I see that you "do not understand how anyone thinks nothing happened." But what do you believe did happen? For instance, do you think that the leap frog game described in the movie happened? Do you believe that Arnold Friedman masturbated into a pitcher of orange juice, and had all the children drink it in a contest to see who could consume the most? Were the children forced to play a game that involved using their mouths to retrieve candy hidden in the underwear of other of the boys? Maybe you believe that all these things happened, but if you don't, on what basis do you separate the true allegations from the false ones? I fully understand the tendency to look at this situation, with an admitted pedophile and a multitude of allegations, and figure that something had to have happened. But I take issue with that attitude, that "where there's smoke, there's fire." Without any evidence external to the statements of the alleged victims, all of the allegations hinge on the credibility of those statements. Given the credibility problems of the alleged witnesses, the lack of any convincing (to me) external evidence, and the evidence that runs contrary to the allegations, I'm not convinced that the Friedmans are guilty of any of the crimes that they're charged with as regards the children. But that's just my opinion, and you're free to disagree with it.

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Do you know of the police department paperwork that lists what was found where? I saw the dildo just outside of the classroom reference in a few different sources, but I really want to view the original documents. I'm sure that those exist, but I do not know if that is public domain. This is not just a case of "where there's smoke, there's fire" assumptions. That was the agenda streamlined by the film. It's not convincing at all when all is taken into account.



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No, I don't have access to any of the original police department paperwork. All I have available to me is what's on the DVD and what's available on line.

Regarding the agenda of the film, I think that Jarecki was initially of the view of the view that the allegations were true, and that he changed his view as he found out more about the case. For instance, he's stated that he initially found Fran Galasso very persuasive, and envisioned her being the narration voice for the film. As he got further into the case he found that she was anything but credible, having since stated that "whether you feel like the Friedmans are guilty or innocent, for sure, Fran Galasso tells a lot of lies."

Regarding the statement about "child-sized dildos" being found "in a cabinet just outside the classroom," the source for this is a 1989 Newsday article:

On Nov. 3, 1987, an inspector dressed as a postman returned "Joe and his Uncle" to the house on Picadilly Road where Arnold Friedman gave computer lessons to children. Fifteen minutes later, government officials and Nassau police, armed with a warrant, raided the home. They found a foot-high stack of child pornography secreted behind a piano in the living room. And there were grimmer discoveries - child-sized dildoes in a cabinet just outside a makeshift classroom.
I suspect that the source for this statement is Fran Galasso, or should I say Fran "There were literally foot-high stacks of pornography, in plain view, all around the house" Galasso, because she is the source for another false statement made in the same article, also regarding what was found in the searches.

Earl Nesmer, an attorney for Jesse Friedman, had this to say about the statement you highlighted in your original post: "This sensational phrase comes from a Newsday report, not from the Search Warrant Inventory. There is no product manufactured by this name. One adult sexual aid was found in the home, and not near the computer class."

I recognize that there is a discrepancy between the one sexual aid Nesmer mentions and three sexual aids that are mentioned in the inventory of items that were not returned to the Friedmans. One possible explanation is that Nesmer was referring only to what was found in the November 3 search mentioned in the Newsday article, but that's pure speculation on my part.

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Okay, so the legitimate inventory brought up 3 sexual aids and that much is fact. I don't know that I believe Nesmer (a defense lawyer for Jesse) much in the same way that you don't believe the source for the Newsday article, who we don't know the name of. We do not know that this information came from Fran Galasso, that's conjecture. Anyway, thank you for finding the source for the child-sized dildo tidbit. It seems to me that that there's a good possibility that the source for the Newsday article was referencing the other 2 inventoried sexual aids that are ignored by Nesmer, and that they may have indeed been found in a cabinet just outside the class. I'm sure you will feel differently, or that everything is probably false or a product of hysteria and not actual findings. This is going to be another agree to disagree moment most likely.



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Fair enough. You and I don't have the police reports, so we can't say for sure what they say about where the sexual aids were found. But Jarecki did have the police reports, and I think it's a fair conjecture that he didn't mention this "fact" because it's not true, just like he didn't mention the "fact" that child pornography was found in the classroom because that wasn't true. Which brings me back to the question I asked in my original response: Did you ever consider the possibility that Jarecki didn't mention this because it's not true? Knowing what you know now, does that seem implausible?

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Jarecki's viewpoint is decidedly skewed to have exactly that: a viewpoint. And you get valuable insight into just how invested he is in his viewpoint because he helped fund Jesse's appeal. I don't buy into what he presented so much as what the reality of the situation is. While I may not have all of the pieces and there is certainly a lot of grey area that may never be known fully, Jarecki's perspective is not something I put a lot of stock in.

To answer your question, yes. It is a fact that 3 sexual aids were found in the house. They were in the house. A news story states that dildos were found outside of the classroom. You're asking if I side with some dude from the internet / some filmmaker with a specific agenda or if I side with the records of the court / actual people who were there? Let me think, let me think. Oh, yeah. I believe it's very plausible. And I believe the victims in this situation. You know, the ones that weren't hypnotized and still stand by their testimony to this day. They are ultimately who I side with and emphasize with, especially because their voice has so easily been swept aside

January 29, 2004
Dear Judge Boklan:

I am writing to you because I need your help. I was a victim of sexual abuse as a young child. There were many other children who were also abused by the same perpetrators, Arnold and Jessie Friedman. Arnold Friedman died in jail, but Jessie Friedman is now attempting to appeal his conviction with the help of a wealthy filmmaker, the producer of the film "Capturing the Friedmans." My concern is that during this appeal my privacy will be invaded. I am asking for you to help all of the victims who were involved in the criminal investigation of Arnold and Jessie Friedman. We want to protect our privacy from further invasion and it is my position that the State should provide that help.

You may or may be aware that a motion picture was made about this conviction, and that the director of the motion picture is planning to fund some type of appeal. I have recently become aware of the fact that this film has been nominated for an academy award. I am sure that the cinematography is excellent. I wish the director the best of luck in the pursuit of his award, however, I find his position as a financial supporter and advocate for Jessie Friedman's appeal questionable at best. It seems obvious that ancillary to this appeal is an opportunity for him to advertise himself for the purpose of furthering his professional career. He is biased due to the substantial stake that he has in the outcome of the appeal. The culmination of his life's work is his movie that is now aligned with the legal status of Jessie Friedman. A victory in the courtroom would validate his film as a so called "important work" that carries with it the force to impose its will upon our criminal justice system. What aspiring director would not desire such recognition as a social force to project his or her career into the stratosphere of the film-making industry? This director's cause is wrong and his purpose is self serving at my expense as well as at the expense of the other victims.

Arnold and Jessie Friedman violated my trust for them as educators by sexually abusing my classmates and I at their home where they purported to teach computer skills to young people. As a child I was often placed by my parents into the custody of others whether be it at school, or at an after school care program or at a summer camp. This seemed quite common among my peers and I was comfortable with trusting adults as authority figures.

Arnold and Jessie Friedman portrayed themselves as educators who would teach young children how to operate a computer. Many parents were quite enamored with the idea that their child should be equipped with the advantage of computer literacy as the computer technology boom began in the mid 1980's. It was under the guise of an educator, that Arnold and Jessie Friedman used computer technology to show young children pornography, to take photographs of young children reacting to that pornography, and to take photographs of sexual acts being performed by young children. I was seven years old when I was in the custody of Arnold and Jessie Friedman. At that time I did not understand the dynamics of human sexuality, I only understood fear. I became afraid of everything beyond my control. My childhood curiosity was replaced with an inherent distrust for adults, authority figures, and every unknown.

As a victim of sexual abuse perpetrated by Arnold and Jessie Friedman, I should not be obligated to bear any burden, for the purpose of justifying their conviction ex-post. The criminal justice system is an apparatus that society uses to enforce the standards of conduct necessary to protect individuals and the community. It operates by apprehending, prosecuting, convicting, and sentencing those members of the community who violate the basic rules of group existence. The action taken against lawbreakers is designed to serve three purposes beyond the immediate punitive purpose: 1) as a deterrent, 2) to remove dangerous people from the community, and 3) it gives society an opportunity to attempt to transform lawbreakers into law-abiding citizens. This system is imperfect. It is based in theories of retribution and punishment. Furthermore, the victims are entitled to closure, with no obligation lasting in perpetuity to certify, in whole or in part, the prosecution of the criminal defendant by the State ex-post.

I am now a twenty-four year old law student who has confronted my past. It seems absurd to me at this point that I may be subpoenaed by a court once again to authenticate my testimony that I gave to a grand jury as a seven year old child. It is my position that the State should protect me and all the other victims from having our privacy further invaded. As a victim of sexual abuse, I can tell you first hand how embarrassing it feels, despite having done nothing wrong. The sexual abuse was bad enough, but the process of being a part of an investigation and testifying before a grand jury was also very painful. It would be unjust for the State to abandon us now when our privacy may be threatened once again by Jessie Friedman, a convicted sex offender, and his ally, the director of the film "Capturing the Friedmans."

We need help to prevent our further exposure. Arnold and Jessie Friedman were found guilty of sexually abusing children. The Court determined there was no reasonable doubt that those defendants had committed those crimes. We victims bore our burden by participating in the investigation and testifying. I, nor any of the other victims, should now be placed in a position to defend the conviction of Arnold and Jessie Friedman ex-post. If there is anything that you can do to help us I would be eternally grateful.
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Jarecki didn't mention Jesse's confession on Geraldo and didn't mention Ross's involvement as the third defendant who could implicate them. These two missing points, which would be vital to telling the entire story, were conspicuously left out. Thus leaving other things out that might implicate the Friedman’s in the movie does not imply that they didn't happen as we do know these other things did happen and weren't in the movie and would certainly implicate Jesse. His credibility is shot. If it was a true documentary he should have include these two vital pieces (and explained them if he could) - but he chose not to which sheds light on his agenda and what to believe when he left other things out.

You can scream now if you want.

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Also, the small, could-be-used-on-children battery operated dildos/vibrators certainly were not for use between Arnold and Elaine, because he was not into sexual activity with her. Do you think he shoved them up his own nether regions? Or are other activities more plausible given the context of the people and admissions involved? I also need to look up whether any of the Friedmans had any diseases or conditions (such as diabetes) that would have required a hypodermic needle to be found in his possession.


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Oh dear. The bad news, my friend, is that somehow your education has been neglected regarding what a woman can accomplish by herself with a sexual device. The good news is that this deficiency can be remedied by a few quick clicks on the Internet, if you so desire.

Regarding the hypodermic needle, I have no idea why the Friedmans had one. However I hope that possession of such a thing wouldn't itself be suspicious. If someone were to search my house they would find over 1000 hypodermic needles. (One of my sons required daily injections for 12 years, and I have yet to find a suitable disposal for many containers full of used syringes and needles accumulated over the years.) If having a single needle raises serious suspicions, I imagine that I'd really be in trouble!

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I don't believe it's hers because Arnold was requesting it be returned to him


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(One of my sons required daily injections for 12 years, and I have yet to find a suitable disposal for many containers full of used syringes and needles accumulated over the years.) If having a single needle raises serious suspicions, I imagine that I'd really be in trouble!
that's completely legitimate then. that's why i was saying that i would be interested in knowing if any of the members of that family have any use for one. if there are no conditions that a hyperdermic needle would be needed for, then it raises an eyebrow. here, i'll use an emoticon for this... well, two... somewhere between and



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lol..for that matter, one can also educate oneself via an internet search about *men* who use dildos on their own nether regions...and yes, those would be the so-called "child sized" ones...

Also, how do you (whistal) know Arnold & Elaine had no sex life together?

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I would assume he meant it was a small one - not an adult size. Yes - I'm sure adult could mean any size since - well you know - but I hope you get the point.

You can scream now if you want.

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What the hell is a child sized dildo? Also, don't you think that some of the parents, who occasionally dropped by to pick up their kids or watch the lessons, sometimes unannounced, would have noticed a "cabinet" full of "child sized dildos" just outside the classroom?

This sounds more like the kind of idiocy that people make up about molesters than what actually goes on. Remember how after the fact the one investigator claimed that they found large stacks of pornography in plain view around the house, but the photos the cops took during the search showed none of that.


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of course they're guilty,they're jews

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good one, adolf



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why thank you

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and so is their good friend Jarecki. Talk about an impartial documentary..

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If a child is like four-feet tall, those are some huge dildos!

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Wow, I'm really disappointed in this film. I just finished watching and I knew something wasn't right with the story, specifically, if you were innocent why would you take a plea deal?

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They make child sized dildos? What's the point? Are they cheaper or something since there's less material? Why not just stick it partly in?

Also, "animation of Mickey Mouse, dressed in a Santa suit, appears with erection and ejaculates"... I want to see this, sounds like a hoot.

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