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Read this and you will KNOW Jesse is GUILTY...


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When I first saw this DVD from my local library years ago I had initially thought Jesse was innocent of the charges and succumbed to an expedient coped plea for his own self interest as colored by him on his site. As I investigated more info I surmised that he is definitely guilty of the charges. After the current Penn State Sandusky horrific charges surfaced, I revisited the Freidman story and read more info that wasn't available when I first saw the DVD. Again I am much more convinced that Jesse is guilty as charged and that he is in denial and only wants to change public opinion about his sordid life and the necessity of registering as a sex offender. I feel sorry for his wife being fooled by him. Like Arnold, Jesse has never been remorseful. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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Guilty as charged and confessed to...

Furthermore:

The director left out material facts and shamelessly distorted information to create ambiguity to make his documentary more interesting and provocative and thus more saleable.

See here: http://blogs.brown.edu/recoveredmemory/tag/jesse-friedman/

He left out:

1. Jesse Friedman's detailed confession on Geraldo's TV show from prison after convection which was omitted and not mentioned.

2. Director left out that there was a 3rd defendent, Ross Goldstein, who pleading guilty and was prepared to testify against the Friedmans.

3. The director interviews only 2 out of the 13 victims.

4. Film implies that the search of the home turned up nothing which was NOT the case.

Typical Hollywood repackaging to make his documentary more ambiguous and more interesting.

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Well I've seen this material before, and I don't agree. I wrote at length about this in a post that can be found here: www.imdb.com/title/tt0342172/board/thread/180126998?d=180253502&p= 1#180253502. If you read the rest of that thread, particularly my exchanges with hero-de-celluloid, you get a good idea of the arguments on both sides.

If you've got something new, something that hasn't been covered in the other threads here, I'd be glad to look at it and respond.

-- TopFrog

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I think the fact that he can't spell says it all.

I take my women like I take my coffee, strong, black and pregnant. Recycle you're capable!

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Who gives a *beep* about your opinion LOL

You post a link to your own opinion like its fact and that somehow your point of view over rules his threat... mr. "top" "frog".

What's in this for you anyway...

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Say, you're quite the charmer, aren't you?

I don't force my opinions on anyone, so go ahead, feel free ignore my opinions (or disagree with them vehemently) if they're not to your liking.

But you might check out the recent article in the Great Neck Record (posted in another thread, www.imdb.com/title/tt0342172/board/thread/201094865) on the DA's investigation, which states in part:

While it appears that some of the boys, now men in their thirties, have not responded to written inquiries, four of the original 14 complainants have recanted the testimony that they gave to the grand jury almost 25 years ago. In addition, 20 other young men who were in the classes where abuse was alleged to have happened, and who were not complainants have offered testimony in taped or filmed interviews with investigators, that they were never molested nor did they ever see anyone molested.

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well what kind of reaction were you expecting?

Yes you aren't forcing anyone that is true...
But your opinion does seem to follow a one way street!

To me this is very strange ,how can anyone with a normal fuctioning brain support those two animals... ?

Because the "leap frog" abuse is simply to unbelievable to eccept as truth or that 3 computer class students weren't abused somehow overrules the other victims claims.

I am simply disgusted by this attitude on this forum.

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well what kind of reaction were you expecting?

I merely delved into the evidence, and drew my conclusions, which is pretty much what everyone else does here. It's not really my concern that some people are upset that I may have examined the available evidence in more detail than most in trying to figure out what really happened in the Friedman case.

As far as expected reactions, I was hoping for well-reasoned and thoughtful ones. Sometimes I get them, and sometimes (like in your case) I don't, for a variety of reasons.


Yes you aren't forcing anyone that is true...
But your opinion does seem to follow a one way street!


I don't know where you get this "one way street" idea -- I'd be the first to admit there is evidence that both sides can point to here, which is why I wrote (in the post in this thread that prompted your tirades) that the prior thread I linked to allows one to get a "good idea of the arguments on both sides."

(It's also a little rich to complain about my supposed close-mindedness in a thread titled "Read this and you will KNOW Jesse is GUILTY.")


Because the "leap frog" abuse is simply to unbelievable to eccept as truth or that 3 computer class students weren't abused somehow overrules the other victims claims.

All you need to do is read the paragraph I quoted from the Great Neck Record article to show yourself how far off base you are. According to that article, four accusers have recanted and twenty computer class students say they weren't abused and that they saw no abuse. This is in situations where there were accusations of abuse involving entire classes, out in the open.


I am simply disgusted by this attitude on this forum.

Sounds like you're the one who has his mind made up, and is unwilling to look at the evidence.

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I always thought he was guilty...but I felt sorry for him in some ways. No one is born evil...he was a product of his surroundings and the abuse he suffered.

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New evidence.

http://www.justiceforjesse.com/

Schadenfreude is dead? Good.

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This is all you need to know to conclude that the filmmaker presented a biased view of the evidence/interviews to sell this documentary as a appeal to the liberal minded of injustice. However the highlighted facts are here:

http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/DA/NewsReleases/2013/062413friedman.html

Some of the Key Findings:

The nearly three-year investigation that analyzed existing information and unearthed significant new evidence affirmed the conviction of Jesse Friedman. The investigation also added critical context, and in some cases supplied refuting evidence, to the central theories advanced by Jesse Friedman and his advocates.

1) Three victims affirmed their prior accounts to the Review Team, and at least three others maintained their accusations at various points within the last decade.

2) None of the five individuals who Friedman advocates suggest “recanted” have, in fact, recanted to any degree of legal certainty. Three have not recanted at all. Reviews of transcripts concerning these individuals reveal that abuse occurred. Another who spoke to the Review Team stood by his account, in contrast to the statement he gave to filmmakers. The subject of the most recent purported recantation has refused to speak to the Review Team or even confirm he wrote the letter outlining the claim, which was provided to the Review Team by Jesse Friedman’s lawyer.

3) Thirteen children accused Jesse Friedman of criminal misconduct within the first five weeks of the investigation.

4) The investigation also revealed additional statements alleging abuse by Jesse Friedman, obtained during the original investigation from three children who did not testify against Jesse Friedman in any grand jury and were therefore not known to anyone outside law enforcement until this Review. One additional student originally disclosed abuse against Arnold Friedman only, but has since told the Review Team that he was also abused by Jesse Friedman.

5) Friedman codefendant Ross Goldstein privately confessed to a childhood friend in 1989.

6) Unedited film transcripts of Judge Abbey Boklan and Detective Anthony Squeglia show that each was the subject of selectively edited and misleading film portrayals in Capturing the Friedmans.

7) The “Meyers Tape” – one of only two pieces of direct evidence of heavy-handed police interviewing techniques cited by Friedman, his advocates and the Court – is, in fact, no tape at all. All that remains of a tape that hasn’t existed for more than two decades are notes taken during its screening by a Jesse Friedman attorney. Those notes, presumably limited to information the attorney found helpful to his client’s case, were then reduced and curated by filmmakers, and read dramatically by Friedman’s attorney in Capturing the Friedmans.

8) A sworn affidavit from the therapist who treated former student “Computer Student One,” stated that she never performed hypnosis on the child. A portion of an unedited transcript of the film’s interview with “Computer Student One” contradicted his claim of pre-outcry hypnosis and had been edited out. “Computer Student One” claimed in a 2004 media report that Capturing the Friedmans “twisted” his account. The filmed allegations of “Computer Student One” remain the only direct evidence offered by Friedman or his advocates suggesting that hypnosis was used to induce victims to make accusations in this case.

9) While maintaining his innocence prior to his eventual guilty plea, Friedman commissioned and failed at least two lie-detector tests.

10) Notes from Friedman’s attorney reveal that a psychiatrist hired by Friedman prior to his guilty plea, found Friedman to be a “narcissist” and “psychopath” who was capable of committing the crimes with which he was charged. The notes also reveal the existence of a second Friedman-hired doctor. Friedman’s lawyer eventually instructed both doctors not to issue formal reports “due to the extreme negative result”.

11) Prison disciplinary records show that Friedman was caught possessing a magazine photograph depicting two nude children, and was punished for writing allegedly fictional accounts of bestiality, incest and child rape.

12) Howard Friedman, brother of Arnold and uncle of Jesse, admitted to the Review Team that Arnold had privately confessed to him shortly after his arrest, and that Arnold admitted to him that Jesse was also involved in the abuse that occurred in the Friedman house, and that Arnold admitted molesting Jesse.

13) Prior to his guilty plea, Friedman went to visit his father in an out-of-state prison in an effort to locate photographs of the abuse that Friedman once agreed may exist. Case files also reference a hidden closet near the computer room that was not searched by federal agents during the surprise search warrant and was later discovered empty during the execution of a state search warrant in the weeks following the Friedmans’ arrests.

14) Jesse Friedman’s willingness to tell the truth has been inconsistent, especially as it pertained to his many descriptions of his father’s guilt, his own possible victimhood, and his prior relationship with his former friend and codefendant, Ross Goldstein.

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I just watched this...and it is very disturbing...

also disturbing was just before Jesse's sentencing the clowning around outside the courthouse.

and from the few articles I have just read...
it appears the director was not showing balanced information..
but deliberately trying to make Jesse look innocent.


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I agree.

Jesse before the sentencing seemed very guilty. When asked by his brother in the car before the sentencing if he was guilty, he kinda just smile, laughed it off and said no. I know he was only a teenager at the time, but wouldn't anyone being falsely accused of such a horrific crime be a little more adamant about maintaining their innocence?

And also, why plead guilty? I'm sorry but I would never say I was guilty and willingly go to jail if I KNEW I had never done anything wrong. Even if there's a possibility of being found guilty, why not fight it out and maintain your innocence!

This documentary initially convinced me that the Friedman's were wrongly accused, but after watching and weighing the facts, it doesn't add up. Jesse and Arnold knew they were guilty. They did not even seem to be fighting the charges, it was like they had already resigned to their fate and knew it was over.

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