The leapfrog game



One thing which got me about some of the "victim" statements and which should have alerted any investigator, is the one time when the one victim, now an adult, describes how Arnold and Jesse would play "leapfrog" with the kids, lining them up naked and crouching and then leap from one to the other ass *beep* them. That's physically impossible. It reminds me of the McMartin Preschool trial where the kids were making up all kinds of weird stories like being flushed down pipes to secret rooms in the basement.

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I agree - he is very suspect. Not very believable. He was the only victim he could get for this movie? There were numerous victims - this was the most credible he could find? I read some of the other victim's letter about their abuse and found them to be articulate and convincing - yet this guy was the only one he could get on camera.

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Um, the leapfrog scenario is not entirely unbelievable. Regardless, that particular victim I did have some issues with. For one, his body language in the interview... it just didn't strike me as normal


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His body language was suspect, as was the fact that he seemed to be tripping up on his account of the game.

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I agree that that particular 'victim' was suspect and not very credible. I found his body language to be down right creepy - it was almost like he was getting off on telling the story. I hate victim-blaming, but come on.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one super creeped out by that victim. He was just in such an odd position and had bizarre body language. He seemed very turned on by telling his story and the attention he was getting from it. He was probably a disturbed kid as well. His story was insane I couldn't believe that he was telling it with a straight face.

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Every conversation they had with him was just entirely bizarre. When he said that the game was being played in the classroom, and they questioned him about his earlier statement that nothing went on in front of people...he just started stammering...you could tell he was making it up on the spot. Nothing he said made sense.

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Yes, the victim's body language was weird, most remarkably in comparison to the other students who refused to say they'd been abused. But I'm a bit surprised that no one has recognized the film maker's hand in this particular issue.

As I see it, this film was never meant to be a documentary about the Friedman legal case--it wasn't an exploration into the guilt or innocence of the accused. What this film documents is a very specific time period in one family's life: the violent disintegration of this family structure.

The filmmakers used everything available--framing, lighting, questioning, editing, costuming, etc--to present the victim as a villain, because we're meant to see this accuser as the Friedmans did. And we're meant to feel disturbed by our own reaction to this victim. Think of the disorientation you felt when watching that segment--not knowing what's true or who to believe, not knowing what's actually real and what isn't. And now imagine growing up in a family as deeply, deeply dysfunctional as the Friedmans. Could you really trust your own perception of reality?

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I think it's important to note that this co-called victim not only makes inconsistent statements (was he lying when he said nothing took place in front of others, or was he lying about the physically improbable leap-frog game? Does it matter?), but says that his recollections only came about after hypnosis. Now I am aware that the 2013 Nassau County DA investigation into their own conduct includes an Affidavit from this witness' supposed psychologist saying that hypnosis was never used, and the DA put this into evidence to refute any implication that this person's recollections were implanted. Again, does it matter? Because EITHER the memories are false and the result of hypnosis, or AGAIN, the witness is lying.

All of this is even more important because this wasn't just some minor witness, but was going to be the DA's "star witness" - on whose testimony nearly 40 of the criminal counts were based in the indictment!

Looked at against a backdrop of what we know now, that 5 child witnesses have fully recanted along with Ross Goldstein, the only adult witness who also was facing multiple counts of child sex abuse and was promised a lighter sentence in exchange for testimony, so say that there is reasonable doubt about Jesse and Arnold's guilt is an understatement. This case has so many holes in it one has to wonder at the ethics of the Nassau County DA's office, the Nassau County Police and the competence of the lawyers involved in representing the defendants (although I am inclined to give the lawyers a pass, knowing what they were up against, how little resources they had to fight with, the DA's office failure to turn over exculpatory evidence and the general disarray of the Freidman household, which could not have been helpful to building a defense).

FWIW,I have been a practicing lawyer in NY for over 27 years and this case makes me ashamed of my profession and the criminal court system in general.

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indeed. wearing those tight shorts so you could see the outline of his obvious and distracting boner -- for those wondering, no, I wasn't intentnionally looking between his legs, but his dick took up half the screen -- he OBVIOIUSLY was 'getting off' on making up stories. So many inconsistencies and lies in his crap, not to mention he underwent'hypnosis' to 'remember' -- 'what'd you remember,' as sthe fimmaker -- 'oh i forget,' mentions the supposed victim.

that dude should get the death penalty for purjuring himself and ruining lives.

also, funny that he blacked his face out. why not reveal yourself, LYING SCUMBAG?

Ugh.

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It's not physically impossible.

I've had sex parties (of course with consenting adults) at my home where we play this game.

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Reread the OP. I think you are confused as to how the game was played in the child sex abuse case.

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I thought the exact same thing. One, the interviewer caught him in a lie when he first said nothing happened in the open classroom area. Two, like you pointed out I couldn't even envision in my mind how that would be physically possible.

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Instead of leapfrog, they should have been human centipedes.

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The leapfrog game just screamed bs to me. The guy was clearly lying and enjoying the attention.

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I didn't believe anything he was stating and his position he was in during the interview was very odd.

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