Question about Roger
Do you think the "tart" that he had sex with was Avice? Do you think Roger was gay?
shareDo you think the "tart" that he had sex with was Avice? Do you think Roger was gay?
shareI think the answer is yes to both questions. I think he was gay but trying to ignore or overcome it.
That's kind of funny because after I viewed the movie a couple of times I sort of thought that Roger was gay too. I thought I was going crazy though.
shareWhat made you think that Roger was gay?
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Well...his facial expression, appearance and most of all, the sensitive observation of things:)
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his facial expression?!?! how the hell does a facial expression make a man gay?! That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. And no it wasn't Avice, Roger explicitly said the girl's name was Joan. I will agree that he is hot!
shareWait--! Roger? the guy who plays Julia's son? GAY?? He is the hottest thing on earth--and ok, gay or not, he's awesome...!!
shareWhy is the character gay?
shareWhat makes you think Roger is gay? Is it because he is clearly much closer to his theatrical mom and not at all close to his staid father?
shareCharles was gay
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I just saw the film.
Yes, he also struck me as gay. Why? Because for heterosexual male adolescents sex (with females) is all they can think about, and he openly states that he did not enjoy it.
And no, the girl's name was Joan.
> Yes, he also struck me as gay. Why? Because for heterosexual male adolescents sex (with females) is all they can think about, and he openly states that he did not enjoy it.
Yeah, I think you nailed that one. I couldn't put my finger on why I felt he might be gay, but that makes perfect sense.
The Principle reference that Roger is gay is the conversation he has with his mother when he talks to her after having sex that evening for the first time. He tells Julia that he wanted to try it, and "I don't see what all the fuss is about", futhermore, "I didn't even like it to tell you the truth".
At this stage of the charactor development, the writer is telling the viewer that Roger is gay, however, Roger himself is not fully aware of his homosexuality, yet, Julia understands fully.
He then tells Julia that he is going abroad and upon his return, in the lunch scene, he says " I don't want to live in a world of make believe", deferring to the fact that he did not want to be an actor and we're lead to believe that he discovers his sexually preferance while living abroad.
This is a such a great movie in the way the story is told and that Julia's many flaws are never hidden from us, yet we love, or at least like her anyway. The reference to her Son's sexuality is in the film so we learn that although very self pocessed, Julia still managed to love and be a good mother to her son which is clear in the openness of the relationship they share.
Lastly on this subject, we're given enough to conclude that there is great distance between Roger and his father, as if Michael is aware of his son's homosexuality and he only pushes his son away. He blames the birth of Roger for the end of the sexual relationship with his wife and throughout the movie, he avoids his son on every turn.
wow... VERY good description. I never noticed that about Roger before, but now that you mention it I think you all are right. I never picked that up from Roger, but that could als be because I was kinda 'fangirly' over Tom the first time I watched it *blushes* lol
I just watched it yesterday, and I still say it's a great movie :) The entire cast did an amazing job.
As for the whole part about Micheal pushing Roger away. I really have to agree with you there. If you noticed, when Roger arrived at the summer house the two had very little conversation and the first thing Roger asked him was "no mommy", so you can tell the two men don't have much of a connection.
“My heart is just as silent,” he mused. “And it, too, is yours.”~Edward Cullen 'Eclipse'
Thank you w/the vampires. I really love this movie, in that it's the sort of film that you can pick up something new each time you watch it. I never really figured Roger much more than background noise, but if you focus in on his charactor, additional dots are connected between the leads.
shareI didn't get that at all about Roger, but that's just me.
shareI thought he was gay for the reasons already listed plus his relationship to Julia's friend who tells her "he plays for the other side."
sharei'm with isaac5855 on this one - i didn't get that at all about roger, either.
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no... it wasn't Avice that he hooked up with, he says in the scene about some girl named Joan. It was most likley T-O-M that hooked up with Avice.
“My heart is just as silent,” he mused. “And it, too, is yours.”~Edward Cullen 'Eclipse'
I haven't been able to get hold of this film as yet, but clearly it is not much like the book that it is based on. I dont know about Roger, in the book. I think that he is rather revolted by sex because he connects it with the world of his mother, and he despises her for being so out of touch with reality...In the book, we are not told that Charles is gay, I think it is more likely he's impotent... but Michael I think may in the book be gay, though it is not clearly expressed. He is relieved when Julia stops sleeping with him. he is not good (in hte book) at portraying love scenes on stage and he is fussy about his looks.....
shareI watched this movie for about the fourth time today.. Watching the scene where he's talking about "love" with that girl Joan, it only now occured to me - 'Hmm, I think he's gay, maybe?' I wasn't completely sure but I think what a previous poster said about Julia knowing but Roger not realising himself till he goes abroad is 100% right :)
Also.. I don't know why, but when he casually talks to Julia about her and Tom having gone their seperate ways, I felt like that made me think of him as gay? I'm not sure.
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Is the movie any good? I am trying to get hold of a DVD copy...but the book is really about acting and how it relates to reality. Roger comes across as being angry with his mother becuase she is "always acting" and does not know any more the difference between acting and reality....
shareI think that, no, Roger is not gay.
I also think that what is missing here is an appreciation for the time in history. No, someone with lots of sexual magnetism would not have made a good Tom. Every one in the story exhibited an appreciation of good manners, and what was important to Tom's character was how he broke through that (being American, he could).
For the time and place, Tom didn't have to sizzle sexually. Roger didn't have to be inflamed by the new experience of 'picking up some girls.' There are lots of movies that transport us back to a different time and have people acting with the same impulses, manners and feelings that they would have today. In those times, though, they wouldn't have the lens through which we see things today.
I realize it serves an agenda. However, Abraham Lincoln shared living quarters and a bed with a dear friend who was a man and was not homosexual. There's a recent attempt to portray Lincoln that way. Walt Whitman has also been portrayed as and 'outed' as a homosexual. The times were different, then.
For people living in this time, especially gay men, Roger in this movie is 1) handsome and 2) confides something to his mother about a new experience for him. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winnah... must be gay. Just those two things, and all sorts of things you might read into brief exchanges with his father (shown via a screenwriter and director, by the way).
Now, the actor himself? Dunno. It's ACTING, dahling.
Well stated. Many on this board have no idea about the historical context of this film, 1930s London and the society and class behavior of the characters presented. Try reading more Brideshead Revisited to understand the subtle discussions of homosexuality of the period and how it was represented in literature. Roger is not gay, he's a young inexperience man whose understanding of the birds and bees was as uninformed as most of his era. Sexuality and experimentation was not overt, and men were not seething hormonal driven studs -- that was left for the gardener -- read Lady Chatterly's Lover. Most obviously, the gay characters, Charles is neither a drag queen nor fop, he's elegant and in the closet when in the social setting of Julia. That's where gay men were unless in their own social circles. Remember, homosexuality was criminal and punishable by arrest, prison and social disgrace. Roger is a lovely young man who has elegance and manners, raised by his nanny, he's university educated, unmarried and wants to be outside the theatrical world of his parents. Likely the forthcoming war will be his next stage of growth.
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Excellent points. Also, I imagine most people posting here are Americans. So since no one has mentioned it yet: It has long been noted that Americans have been known to confuse an appearance of being English with that of being homosexual.
shareI'm not sure about the gay thing, maybe, but for me the relationship between Julia and Rodger was so touching and I got teary eyed watching how they interacted as Julia, the star, and her sensitive sweet son looked up to her. The acting here was exquisite.
shareOh my god, I was just thinking about this. I watched the movie twice and yes, I thought of Roger as gay too. Crazy though cause I think I was the only one who felt that way.
shareI don't think roger is gay. A bit attached to his mother and sensitive and touching on his scenes with his mother. He is in stark contrast to Tom, who takes every opportunity for a sexual experience and shows no real tenderness towards the woman he is with.
shareSensitive, tender, compassionate, reserved, etc. do NOT equal gay.
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