Narration
The narration was so unnecessary and contrived. Definitely not needed.
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That was what killed the movie. The film would have been so much more meaningful if Steve Martin's voice didn't have to dictate our feelings, which were already in agreement with the narration...
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I agree that the narraration wasn't so necessary. Though I don't think it would have been too bad if it was just in the ending. That was the best narraration part and to me it did explain things in a different light.
sharefor those who didn't like the narration let me point something out. at the very beginning of the film mirabelle is described in that opening narration that (i'm paraphrasing now) she wanted someone to say she was special and the find someone that would fit her perfectly. this is the key to why she was attracted to both jeremy and ray.
remember she threw away jeremy's number after a horrible date. he didn't treat her special, had no idea of how to treat any woman.
ray, although much older, made her feel special. he went to the trouble of finding her address and sending her an expensive, useless gift that simultaneously demonstrated that when he met her at sak's it was not to buy gloves but to meet her. remember, too, the narration later added that the question she most wanted to ask but could not was 'why me?'. perhaps she was afraid of the answer and leaving it unasked and unanswered let her believe that ray really did understand her for the special person she is.
we all want to believe we're special inside and some women need that affirmation more than most. that's why she was drawn to ray...the money helped, of course, but i imagine the story could have been much the same if he were not. ultimately, of course, she realized she was not that special one for him, at least not enough for him to emotionally commit.
personally, i didn't care for the jeremy character and i think in a year or two they'll split. quirky can only carry you so far.
and that's why we have narration in this film, to provide insight into mirabelle's character that we might not understand otherwise.
Well, I agree w/ ninac4116. In fact, in listening to a lot of director commmentaries on DVD's there's one type of comment I hear a fair amount of the time. Paraphrasing, it's usually the director (sometimes a writer), almost apologizing for the use of narration, saying: "I really don't like using voice-over or narration. I think it reminds the audience they're watching a movie, taking them out of the experience. And if the actors and I have done our jobs, some disembodied voice explaining it all seems contrived, superfluous, redundant."
I remember the writer of "The Beautiful Country" explaining that one the of the seminal producers of that movie - Terrence Malick - hates narration, and how ironic it is that he uses it in much of his film work. But while I think the voice-over completely serves a movie like "Days of Heaven," I can't make that same case here. I thought it didn't just describe Ray's detachment and inability to connect ~ it contributed to my own.
"Live so your friends can defend you, but never have to."
I've heard such criticisms of voice over narration in films before - and I've never really understood why. I feel like some of my favorite movies use it.
One that comes to mind is A Christmas Story, where the grown up Ralphie is often narrating over the scenes of his childhood, and of course the writing is wonderful. E.g. There's the line "my father wove a tapestry of obscenities that as far as we know still floats in a cloud over lake Michigan".
I feel like such a voice over makes the movie a fusion of literature/traditional verbal story telling and cinema. And maybe because I'm somewhat of a bookworm, I like that!
Darren:
I completely agree that narration can do a great service to some films - and "A Christmas Story" is a terrific case in point. For me, the distinction lies in whether the voice-over is interestingly written and actually adds a richer/more entertaining or enlightening layer to the story (as in your example, my mention of "Days of Heaven," and even films like "The Princess Bride," where an actual story is being told to someone else), or whether it simply reiterates/regurgitates what the audience should already be discerning through the action and dialogue of the characters.
It's just my opinion that "Shopgirl's" narration falls into the latter category for the most part. It wasn't particularly interesting to me, and didn't really give me any more insight into Ray or Mirabelle than I didn't get from viewing it. Oh, and if you get that BB gun from Santa, Darren, you WILL shoot your eye out!
~Suse
"Politeness is to human nature what warmth is to wax." ~ Schopenhauer
I thought that the narration served to convey to the audience that Ray and Mirabelle were, at times, not being honest with themselves, and at other times, others. Ray's dialogue to his therapist and to Mirabelle tells them and the audience that he is only involved with Mirabelle sexually, but the naration after they are apart reveals his inner truth, that in reality he does feel connected to Mirabelle in a deeper way. It's a truth that we wouldn't get through any other means, because I don't think it's something that Ray is consciously aware of. I was glad to have that insight, so I actually appreciated the narration for this reason.
shareActualy, Shopgirl seems to me as one of the very few films that vehementally need narration, otherwise the film would feel empty. This is a lot more lyrical and poetic film stylistically looked upon from the outside philosophical viewpoint contemplating nature and souls of human beings. It brings a certain cerebral layer and quality to it due to its God-like narration. To me it is purely beautiful and sometimes heart-breaking especially when it comes to line - "why me"! I relate to Mirabelle very much, there's no time i would not be crying during some of the scenes of this film. Ray character was a semi-flawed man who perfectly understood women and our feelings, though he forgot the most important thing of all that women need, to sacrifice for them in a way, to offer himself, to give his heart to them, and most of all came from his profound lack of honesty - which is essential.
shareOh god, I agree.
"It was then that he surpassed Ray as a lover of Mirabelle."
Steve, I love you, but this writing is absolutely terrible.
I didn't have a problem with the fact that there was narration - my problem was with Steve Martin doing the narration. He can't act visually, let alone convey emotion with just his voice. It would've been so much better if someone else had narrated it.
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^^^ This. I loved the book and was glad they utilised some of Martin's descriptions for the film. I think the quality of his writing and the character of his voice were perfectly suited. Especially the for the line 'WipedAndReady' mentioned.
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness"
I get why its there but the narration was an annoyance for me, as well as the over the top music, a lot to like in the film still, Claire was excellent as well as Jason
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