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How is the machine works???


"first sorry for my bad english"

i just dont get it, how is the machine in the movie works to see the future?
there's a scene that a cop explain the theory how machine works
but the chinese subtitle sucks
i dont fully understand the theory that cop talking about
is this machine should be some kind of super scope that can see parallel universe of something???

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I didn't get it, either. I don't think it makes much sense. How can you look around the infinite curviture of the universe with a laser-powered lens (or whatever he said) and then see yourself at the end?? If it's infinite (which it probably really is), it would never get back around to you! Also, even if that part of it would work, the laser would have to "see" faster than light (waaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster), which is not possible.

Oh, and I've seen waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse english than yours... from native speakers. So don't worry about it. You're doing pretty good.

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YOu guys speak english pretty well actually

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The theory of how the machine works is irrelevant, let's just assume that there is such machine and build a story with that premise. What I really do not understand is how they "see" a future that does not really exist since they are able to change it. Something similar happens in other movies, like "Back to the Future" and "Terminator", they change the future several times but still remember the old future - which for them is part of the past of their biological lives since they have already lived it. The moral message that after all we are in control of our own future is a lame excuse for such amount of unresolved paradoxes and contradictions.

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What I really do not understand is how they "see" a future that does not really exist since they are able to change it.

Who says that the future was ever changed? Maybe the future that was seen, was the exact future that happened. It's the easiest explanation, he obviously saw the future and just noted down the objects he would need, then sent them out to himself.

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In The beginning of the Movie, there's this holographic machine that he made. what is it called. And is the machine a time machine?

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In The beginning of the Movie, there's this holographic machine that he made. what is it called. And is the machine a time machine?



At the start of the movie he rebuilds a compettitor's product. It's a computer display that displays items in 3d, not just an image but a a physical 3d representation of what is being displayed. He just reverse engineered the other screen and made it into a hologram.

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What I really do not understand is how they "see" a future that does not really exist since they are able to change it.

Yeah he is right, if they change the future then what they are looking at on the machine is not actually the future...but thats ok I'm willing to let this slide; it didn't take away from the enjoyability of the movie at all for me. When dealing with time travel kinda movies or whatever you have to be willing to let a few things slide because their plots are more difficult to make work out perfectly...like terminator has errors in it but still awesome movies.

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I don't get how they're actually seeing the future, anyway. If you're looking around a curve, it takes time for light to pass from whatever is happening to hit your eyes, so if anything, I would have thought that you would be looking into the past. For example, when we look in the mirror we're actually looking in the past because it takes time for light to travel to our eyes.

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For example, when we look in the mirror we're actually looking in the past because it takes time for light to travel to our eyes.
Thats actually quite creepy when you think about it.

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"For example, when we look in the mirror we're actually looking in the past because it takes time for light to travel to our eyes."

Yeah, about a millionth of second into the past lol.

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It's the same for everything we look at, not just a mirror.

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I don't understand why the movie had to come up with some strange "universe curve" machine theory (or whatever).. I clearly leaves a lot of issues in terms of the whole "changing the future" idea. It is not really possible within the premise to change the future.. what you see is supposedly the light/sound/energy (whatever) from the future getting "returned" to you. Within that premise it's logical that you cannot possibly change anything as what you see has already happened and is now only getting reflected back at you. It would only be possible if the time-line split into multiple connected dimensions which had different outcomes. So you would in fact be looking at the outcome of another dimension. Anyway.. as most movies about time-travel.. this "time-viewing" movie made a complete mess of things as well. And it's probably better not to think too much about it.

What they should have done was to go with a quite different approach to the machine. An approach which would not only have made the movie better (IMO) but also made time-viewing very scientifically plausible within our current technology framework. That could be possible with a "Deterministic Time-viewing Machine".. which would basically be a very powerful and complex computer-system, that could calculate the future very precisely based on data from the past and present.. much like a game of pool where the balls (as in life) are already moving in a certain direction. A machine so powerful and intelligent that it can not only calculate physical phenomenons, but also predict human actions. It's not that far fetched at all... and it might be possible some time in the future. Such a machine could then project the "future" onto a screen using CGI. However.. for it's predictions to be perfect the machine would also have to consider all factors.. which is probably impossible. But it could be pretty accurate.

Using that approach to "time-viewing" it would not be a problem to change the future, as the prediction would only be a very precise (dependent on the computers infallibility) "moment in time" prediction based on current data. So if someone where to know the machines predictions it should be possible to alter things..........Unless! Unless the machine already knew that and had taken your actions into account!? So you'd have to make the machine-room as-well as yourself immune to the machines probing for information.. that way it couldn't predict your actions.. whew.. time-travel/viewing is tricky! It's probably never gonna happen.

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If you know your English is bad why don't you correct it?

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How to correct if his knowledge is limited? What is wrong with you. He said that he doesn't know english language well in his first post and he tried to write as good as it possible. He wrote it actually correctly. You should stop being such a ****.

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Okay, I don't know if everybody is avoiding the question because it's irrelevant, or if they don't have the answer, here's what I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong):

Like all things in the universe, light can be bend by gravity. When a beam of light passing a planet at proximity, it's path would bend toward the planet's gravity and being slingshot to an higher speed, causing it (or image) to appear on the other side earlier than it should.

In the event of a solar eclipse, we would see the sun emerging from behind the moon, when actually it is still behind it. We see the image of the sun BEFORE it appears.

Base on this theory, if the machine can tracy a beam of light from planet to planet, all the way back to it's origin - earth, then we are seeing the image BEFORE it happens. Of course, technically it is impossible, but the theory is there.


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You are referring to the Theory of General Relativity, in which gravitational effects are represented by the curvature of spacetime. The greatest minds in the world have been studying this concept for a century or more.

While you are correct that the gravitational field of a large body (such as the Sun) can bend light, observing a distorted image does not mean that you are seeing it before it happened. In your example, if an object appeared from behind another object sooner than expected, it is because the geometry is distorted. You are not seeing the eclipse before it actually happened.

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I think the machine works on the awesome power known as "lazy writing" - they specifically say the laser lense thingummy sees around the universe btw, not around the world, and it is all just nonsense. How many minutes would it have taken to contact the physics department of the nearest university and ask them for some sort of way that future could be seen - there are possible loopholes in physics that would almost make that possible. Also when did Einstein say time travel is impossible but seeing the future is not? Didn't he specifically say that time travel is a theoretical possibility, with wormholes and such? Bah and humbug says I.

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What's so hard to understand?

They make a special lens that is 100 trillion times more powerful than any other lens in existence.

They point it out into the sky, it sees around the universe (because luckily there's nothing out there in the way!) and all the way back to not just Earth, but the exact location that they're in (Luckily, there was no wind blowing that day!)

- And not only that, but this lens can see right through concrete and metal, given them a perfect future-view of INSIDE the lab.

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What loophole?

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Consider the fact that it is a sci-fi movie. Therefore, although there may be an explanation, it doesn't necessarily have to make sense.

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In the short story, they don't quite go into the full mechanics, but the machine is based on the idea that true time travel is impossible, but it is possible to glimpse the future. It's explained that the machine is a "time scoop", with which one can see the future but also "scoop" certain things out into the present.

I suppose what they show in the movie is a bit confusing, though. The impression I got from the story was that it was more or less a self-fulfilling prophecy. Jennings was working on the machine and saw that he would have these problems once his mind was wiped and he left the company. He knew every problem he would run into because he'd seen it through the machine. Because of this, he knew every problem he would face and was able to figure out a series of seemingly inconspicuous items to substitute his paycheck that would each provide a solution and use the time-scoop to retrieve them.

And when Jack Crow and Buffy Summers joined forces, Edward Cullen never knew what hit him.

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I think they'd have done better to not try to explain how it worked. Their explanation was ridiculous. Even if we could see around the universe, the light we see would be from billions of years ago. And of course, the earth itself might look a bit small at that distance.

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