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Good Movie and should be remade....


By an American director. I liked it, but I don't like watching movies with subtitles. They should have done it in English so everybody could understand what they are saying, not just French people.

There are plenty of good directors out there with horror movie experience too. Ti West did a great job with House of the Devil and Eli Roth's Cabin Fever and Hostel were incredible.

I have no doubt that remaking this film in American would be a stellar movie. I just don't know who could be cast as the lead...Michelle Williams maybe?

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Wouldn't that be 'racist' though?

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For some reason I fear that an American remake would make the Marie character more feminine and talking, and the characters would be "prettier" (according to American film standards). All that would completely ruin the thrill for me!

It will be difficult to recreate the tension and atmosphere that probably came out of nowhere in this low budget film that was shot in Romania. The convincing portrayal of the Marie character is crucial for my appreciation of this intense horror flick/film. Philippe Nahon's "monster" is also memorable.

Cécile de France's performance as the 'stone butch', muscular/toned, shy lesbian is quite convincing and way above normal standards for horror films. It's a very unusual choice for a main character in the horror genre. No pun intended, but there aren't that many talented female (American) actors who could fill her shoes and deliver the same amount of 'natural masculinity'.

I've always been used to read subtitles and listen to the sound of any spoken foreign language no matter if I understand it or not. That's one of the benefits of living in a small country, I guess. ;)

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I don't know. I understand what you mean about making them "more feminine" by U.S. Standards, but with the right director, perhaps they can find up and coming young actresses who will allow us to suspend disbelief.

I agree that recreating the tension and atmosphere would be incredibly difficult. I am showing the movie this weekend to a group of friends who have never seen it. After seeing the original, how the viewer expect to be brought into the atmosphere the same as they were the first time?

I DO think that it is possible though.

There is a lot of argument on the boards about "re-imaginings" and remakes and what not. But wow, how many men have portrayed Superman? How many iterations of Spiderman? Leatherface?

I don't think there is anything wrong with a "re imagining". Perhaps it can add something?

Yes, Cecile de France was AMAZING in the movie. She WAS the movie. It will be hard to fill her shoes which is why I suggested Michelle Williams. I am not even a fan of her (Williams) movies, but I picture her in the role.

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A remake would ruin this film. It was almost perfect (the ending sucked). This is a great movie and not everything needs to be remade to cater to certain audiences. If Americans want to see it, watch the subtitled or voiceover ones like I did.

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If Americans want to see it, watch the subtitled or voiceover ones like I did.
Or they could just watch this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118350/?ref_=nv_sr_1

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I liked it, but I don't like watching movies with subtitles.


Well, there's a whole world of cinema you're missing out on, you little cinematic-xenophobic, you.



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No! American movie nooo this is a classic of classic... French movies are the best.... and clever.. if they do an American version they will mess up for sure!

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There's already an American version: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118350/?ref_=nv_sr_1

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No legit actress would lower themselves to star in a remake of this poorly developed film. It's eye candy for gore hounds and that's it. The "explanation" doesn't work and the editing screws it up. Plus the "twist" has been done to death, and is still being used. It's a cop out. Plus this movie rips off Intensity by Dean Koontze. They just made it different by using the lame, cop out ending.

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It's one of the best horror films ever made in my opinion, and a re-make would be great. It's not just for gore hounds, the first two acts of the film offer exceptional tension, almost unrivaled. i can appreciate not liking the twist- many don't- but i cannot understand how any horror fan wouldn't appreciate everything up until the twist. And being a rip-off doesn't deter it from being an effective horror film.

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The only way a remake would work is if they fix the many errors of the original and also make people swallow yet another "it was all in their head" ending (which, honestly, wouldn't be too hard with U.S. audiences). What it is is a good attempt at something and then a complete fumble with the last act. The only thing that saves it is the look and gore. If you go by plot and editing, it's a total mess. If you focus solely on the look and the extreme gore, then you have a success. In my opinion, ripping off someone else's idea cheapens the product.

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I see your point about the twist ending. Going into the re-make, the viewer would know the deal and that would deter from the experience. I just think people are way too hard on this film, mainly because they hated the twist. Very rare to find a flawless horror film, and I'm not saying this one is but it delivers so well on the first couple of acts. I disagree that it's just the gore, I think the tension of the initial home invasion scene is amazing. I think that scene is in the upper echelon of horror. I can't think of too many specific scenes topping this one and I've seen a lot of horror films. I think most movies have ripped off one idea or another. The Departed won an oscar for it.

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A lot of people don't watch foreign films because they don't like reading (after you start watching it, you don't really even think about it so it's a lame excuse). And when they dub over the dialogue with English it sounds awful. What they would need to do if they make a remake is to edit it properly. I believe what they were trying to do is start with the main girl telling her side of the story (or what she imagined) to a camera. Like her statement. Then show what really happened. Instead of following through with that until the end, they reveal the truth in the middle of it. So it messes it all up. We should hear her whole story THEN get the true story with the security camera in the gas station and the lone survivor's side. Also, a way to explain how the crazy woman could drive both a car and a big van simultaneously. And crash the car and flip it. Or even where she got the van...Terrible holes in the plot.

Mute Witness did a good job with suspense. That movie was made in the nineties. There wasn't so much unnecessary gore (honestly, the gore in this movie is so over-the-top you have to admit that they did it for gore fans as it doesn't add anything to the plot).

What irritates me about the rip-off is that they didn't admit that's where they got it. They gave no credit to the source. The part where the killer touches the faucet to see if it's been used recently is exactly the same as the book. I saw the movie several years ago and read that book even further back than that, so I can't remember every part, but I know many other parts of the home invasion scene were the same. The lame twist wasn't the same though; there really was an intruder.

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Regarding the truck, one of the deleted scenes has Marie exploring the grounds upon arrival; she opens the garage to reveal the old truck. that scene would have answered the question about where she got the truck. It didn't make the cut because, supposedly, Aja felt it would give too much away. In actuality, the truck was the only vehicle involved. There was never any car in the real events, only in Marie's insane version. So she never drove both simultaneously

And I really liked Mute Witness. you are right- great tension in that one.

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I wonder where the part towards the beginning with the fantasy man in the truck screwing that severed head came into play. It wouldn't make sense for her to tell the people filming her that there was some guy somewhere doing that. And was that scene after the deleted scene where she saw the truck? THAT scene was really unnecessary. I mean, it throws off the audience, but it has no logical place in the story.

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Two scenes really don't make sense in that regard, at least if my theory is correct. The scene you referred to and also the scene where Marie is transforming back and forth between herself and the killer in the final chase scene.

My thought is the severed head scene is inserted into the storyline to show Marie's underlying sexual rage beginning to bubble over. so the director takes liberties outside the storyline of what Marie is telling the police to show the viewer what is starting to happen inside Marie. Notice that this scene happens immediately after Marie becomes very upset with Alex in the car while reminiscing about Alex ditching Marie for a guy. "I hope he was worth it" Marie asks, to which Alex responds "he was!" and then immediately to that scene.

The director also takes liberties with that final chase scene because I think that scene actually happened exactly as was shown, but obviously Marie was not transforming back and forth between herself and the killer- it was Marie all along chasing alex with the saw. Again, I think the director takes liberties in this scene to accomplish the same thing he tried to do in the prior scene, he wants to show the viewer Marie's internal state.

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That does make sense, but they just executed the whole thing poorly. There are too many different elements that do not fit together. We have the aspect that she's telling the cops what she believes took place, but at the same time we're being shown what was going on in her head with her transitioning between the killer and herself. That doesn't work. It needs to be done one way or another.

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The film is Marie's explanation to the cops up until the gas station surveillance footage. From then on, reality takes over and and we are shown how Alex's perspective differs from Marie's. Whether you like the story twist or not is one thing, bit I think the elements fit together just fine.

And I think an American remake would almost certainly ruin the material. The more you watch subtitled films, the less you notice having to read.

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What they should have done is wrapped up Marie's version of events, and then show us what really happened. Instead they reveal the truth in the middle of it. Also, do we assume the truck never existed? Clearly she couldn't drive a car and a truck. And why the scene at the beginning when they show the man jerking off with that one woman's head?

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Aja explains in the director commentary that the guy jerking off with the severed head was just Marie explaining to the cops how the killer had probably been watching the house for days. And I assume Marie actually did kidnap Alex away from the house, but what vehicle she used I don't know - because if the truck never existed then she couldn't have gotten to the gas station to take the car. Maybe in reality she kidnapped Alex in the car they drove to the house in. Lots of hypotheticals when it comes to discussing the 'reality' of the film, but that's what I especially like about it.

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The director seriously said that? That's hilarious! So she told the cops "yeah, he's probably been watching the house and jerking off with severed heads..." Yeah, that's believable...Also, as you've pointed out, an entire scene that actually has importance has a hard time with an explanation when you get down to it. Lot's of hypotheticals really means crappy writing. He ripped off the story from Intensity by Dean Koontz and then created his own ending using the most cliched ending you can use in a horror film.

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Lol. Yes Aja did say something to that effect. When you put it that way it actually does sound pretty far-fetched, but perhaps she just imagined the severed head part to herself. Either way, I think that scene makes for an effective introduction to the "killer" which presents him as a very credible threat. Plus, the guy in the truck is the cornerstone of Marie's hero fantasy, so it makes sense that she would imagine him as sick and depraved as possible.

As for hypotheticals meaning bad writing, that's not necessarily true. There's similar hypothetical explanations to be made in Fight Club and other films with a similar twist where gaps must be filled in. I think it just comes with the territory of that type of plot twist, but I can totally understand how people would feel like that type of ending in a horror movie is a cop out. Audiences inherently don't like being told that what they've seen didn't 'really happen'.

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The scene would be a great introduction...if he existed. Since he doesn't and the director's explanation is ridiculous at best, it's a pointless scene and just more reason for people to find the twist moronic.

There are a lot of movies with that type of ending that are done sloppily. It's not that horror fans don't like that type of ending; it's that a lot of people hate any movie from any genre that uses that ending. My favorite movie of all time uses a similar ending, sort of (Mulholland Drive) but I forgive it because there's a reason behind it and not just because they need to wrap something up they don't feel like finishing.

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Since it's your favorite film you probably already know this, but the ending of Mulholland Drive was added on later, because it was meant as a TV pilot that never got picked up and David Lynch didn't know how to wrap it up. Granted, the idea Lynch came up with was much more brilliant than anything in High Tension. Mulholland is one of my favorite films as well. I just admire High Tension for its relentless energy and gritty, tense atmosphere which is so often lost in modern American horror.

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I'm aware of the Mulholland Drive pilot. I wouldn't say David Lynch didn't know how to wrap it up because he did wrap it up... I do think the love Betty had for Rita came out of nowhere, but when they go back to reality and show Diane's situation with Camilla, it makes more sense.

It is very difficult to find a good, intense American-made horror film these days. There are some good, intense, non-horror movies though. I just saw Blue Ruin and that was a very intense movie. Prisoners was also pretty intense.

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Yeah. Well Lynch initially didn't know how to wrap it up, but the idea he came up with involved reworking the whole film and not just tacking on an ending which is why it worked so well I think.

American horror films too often play it safe and are full of cliche, one-dimensional characters and lame attempts at humor. I really enjoy foreign horror (especially French) because of its no-nonsense sincerity and melancholic atmosphere. I like how they combine searing drama with brutal, uncompromising horror.

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Both Martyrs and Inside were intense movies with strong, well-done gore. Inside suffers from too many of the "how could you be so stupid" characters, but it was still an admirable movie. You wouldn't find either of these coming from an American studio. And neither of these movies really had any humor in them. If they did, I can't remember the parts. On the other hand, I can't think of any American horror films that don't have humor (or an attempt at it) in them... I wonder why that is... Maybe to help the wimps in the audience have a break from the terror and/or gore?

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Yeah, I think all the attempts at humor come from American horror largely being afraid to take itself too seriously so they end up going too far the other way with it, trying to be tongue-in-cheek. Sometimes that works, like I happen to really dig The Faculty (in a B-movie sort of way) which has a good bit of humor, but many times attempts at humor in horror just fall flat and become corny. I like that foreign horror films, especially French and Korean, aren't afraid to take themselves completely serious, which often makes the films rise above the 'norm' of the genre.

And as for Inside, the cops were pretty darn stupid I'll admit. But who else do you think did stupid things? I don't think Sarah or the intruder were stupid, or Sarah's mom, or the unfortunate kid. Maybe her boss was kind of clueless but not in an implausible way.

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Sarah did stupid things. The cops gave her a gun and then went back downstairs to get the lights back on. Sarah went to her room and laid down and just dropped the gun next to her on the bed. Then she heard the gunshots downstairs and didn't grab the gun again. The woman came in and got on the bed and Sarah bit her and ran. Um, gun anyone? Then she goes downstairs and can't open her front door for some reason so she slowly makes her way towards the kitchen. You're fighting for your life and your child's and you move that slowly? Does she not still possess adrenaline? She could have gone to the room she was knitting in and finished breaking the window the woman had punched. Then she'd at least be outside to try and find help. Then she had an opportunity at the end to kill the woman but instead decided to walk over to the suddenly alive cop and ask him if he's ok lol

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I always thought when she laid down on the bed it was because A) she had faith that the cops would do their job, and B) she had hit a brick wall after everything she'd been through. I had forgotten about the gun, which I agree she shouldn't have dropped. I guess she could've picked it up and blown the woman away right there, but then it would be a 60 min movie lol. The filmmakers painted themselves into a corner when they gave Sarah the gun. But aside from the gun, it didn't surprise me that Sarah was moving slowly, after all her water had broken and she had been slashed and stabbed so many times. Plus, who knows how long it would've taken to break out that window, and she would've been vulnerable with her back to the room. And at the end she was about to kill the woman until she laid the guilt trip on Sarah about the car accident. I think with the woman cowering in the corner all burnt to a crisp, Sarah didn't see her as much of a threat anymore. And when the lights came back on and she saw the cop standing there, it would make sense that she would rather just let the cop arrest the woman rather than having to stab her to death. But of course she soon learned the cop wasn't in any shape to do any arresting lol. You make a good point about the gun though, it's hard to argue.

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I don't think you've watched the movie in awhile...

When she laid on the bed with the gun, she heard a gunshot and the guy that was hand-cuffed to the cop yelled "She's still here!!" Obviously, the woman was not who got shot. Sarah should have grabbed the gun again and been ready for when the woman came back to get her. Also, saying that if she shot the woman it would have only been 60 minutes long is a very lame excuse. If you need the movie to be longer, don't set up an idiotic situation; make one that could sensibly continue the movie.

Sarah's water didn't break until the cop at the end beat her with his baton. Sarah walked slowly because because she was an idiot. The window was already cracked. Badly. She could have easily broken it. As far as her injuries, she had a cut to her face, a small puncture to her belly button, and a hole in her hand. And she had her hair pulled some. Those are hardly the type of injuries that would prevent someone from moving at a pace that could mean their survival.

Yes, the guilt trip thing is an acceptable reason for not killing the woman right there, but there's nothing to suggest she was hoping the cop would arrest the woman. You came up with that to cover a plot problem. No offense, but I hate when people do that...

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Have you watched the movie recently? Her water clearly broke the first time she entered the bathroom after her belly button was pierced. Either that or she just urinated all over the floor but I highly doubt that. And I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that when she sees the cop, presumably still alive and functioning, that she would look to him to protect her rather than having to brutally stab someone to death. I didn't just think that up to cover up a problem, as I never thought there was a problem at that point to begin with. And when I said it would've been a 60 min movie I was being half-serious, and wasn't trying to use that as an excuse. I already said they made a mistake with the whole gun issue.

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She peed herself. Probably out of nerves. It was yellow, too. Her water breaks when she gets hit with the baton. All that clear stuff comes out on the floor. Then she crawls to the stairs and goes into labor. If her water had broken at the beginning she would have been in labor most of the movie.

I didn't mean you as in you. Sorry. I should have said "if a filmmaker needs to make their movie longer they shouldn't just make a stupid scene to keep it going."

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Weird, I always thought that was her water breaking. And all good, no worries. I agree adding a scene that doesn't make sense to pad out a movie is no excuse.

I think we kind of hijacked this thread and took it off on a tangent lol.

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Sweetie, it wouldn't work because it would be a RIP OFF, you claim to love this movie, well read the book!

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Yeah we have that already and it does need a remake but it would be a remake of Dean Koontz's book and not this movie.

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