Seabiscuit Vs Phar Lap
Who was better? Phar Lap or Seabiscuit. As a Aussie I say Phar Lap
shareMe too, but them I'm also an Aussie.
But it's a remarkable parallel - two underdog horses that become national heroes during the depression.
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on the subject of seabiscut vs phar lap it would of made a interesting match race !
maybe it would of been a draw !
i think they are both great legends tho in there own rights !!
What about Makybe Diva!!!!(Aussie's will know what I'm talking about) I think all three of them are great horses
shareSEABISCUIT!!!
shareAll anybody remembers War Admiral for is the one big race he lost, but what everyone forgets is that War Admiral was a racehorse of legendary stature, one of the best ever. Against Seabiscuit, to quote Hillenbrand, "War Admiral had run the greatest race of his life, posting by far his best time for the distance." And Seabiscuit blew his doors off. Seabiscuit very well may be the greatest racehorse that ever lived.
shareI think Phar Lap, who was the greatest to ever run(although I put Makybe Diva in the same category)
"If everything isn't black and white, I say why the hell not." ~ John Wayne
Excellent reply!!! Seabiscuit is rated as the 25th top horse of the 20th century and I believe PharLap is just above him. Seabiscuit had many losing races before Charles Howard purchased him for $8,000 and brought the right people around him. After that he was virtually always in the money. He ran almost 90 races, which is absolutely unheard of.
I believe his great heart would bring Seabiscuit to the front in that race. He sets multitudes of records in his 3-4 prime--many which would still stand under today's track and field conditions.
What is it with you damn Aussies? Phar Lap was a New Zealand horse and not a bloody Australian. Stop taking glory from us Kiwis
shareYeah but he failed in New Zealand it took an Australian trainer to make him what he was, also he ran most of his races in Australia, we know he's a kiwi horse, but remember he's stuffed in our museum.(and yes I know NZ has his heart)
"If everything isn't black and white, I say why the hell not." ~ John Wayne
We have the skeleton of Phar Lap and the heart is coming for a visit to Te Papa. BTW Phar Lap wasn't tried in New Zealand and for this race I believe Bonecrusher, Sunline and Xcellent should be in too.
Sunline and Bonecrusher, maybe yes but not Xcellent, he is no where near as good as these horses.
"If everything isn't black and white, I say why the hell not." ~ John Wayne
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Canberra has his heart. I have photo's. Melbourne has his body, I have photo's also. I've yet to see his skeleton, but that's next on the list!
shareI think you've misinterpretted Movielover4ever. Seems to me, he/she was referring to him/herself as an Aussie. Aussies know Phar Lap was born in New Zealand; as was Russell Crowe... You can keep the 'glory' for him too! ;-)
shareForget Seabiscuit or Phar Lap, the horse that would have buried them would have been Citation.
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Citation? seriously? He was a good horse but.. meh.. not my fav. Seattle Slew was also quite great.. along with Affirmed(take that Alydar)
and please.. nobody put up Funny Cide or Smarty Jones! Tho Ghostzapper is very fast.. but has very few races... so ..
I gotta love the Biscuit. He'd definantly win it all.
Hey, you aussie's! In "Makybe Diva", how do u pronounce that??
How about Secretariat? It'd be a good race to see him run against the Admiral because they both had the same running style. They both like to jump to the lead from the beginning and hold it till the end. Was it true that Secretariat had an abnormally large heart?
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yup.. something like 24lbs... normal horse heart is maybe half that.
shareThat's crazy. I wonder if they had known about his large heart before his death if they would've disqualified him because of his edge over the other horses. Do/did any of his offspring inherit that heart?
I, TurboTehe, love and support the troops 100% And proud of it :)
It is a sex linked trait. He would only have been able to pass it to female offspring, which can pass it to either sex. Alot of tb and racing qh breeders try to breed for it.
I dont think they could have disqualified him for it, he was born with it, so it's technically a natural thing. Where as maybe if it was due to steroids or something then they may have been able to ban him.
The Diva is pronounced Mak-KI-Bee Diva
share"Mack-eye-bee Diva."
shareCitation would have lost by at least 10 lengths to Seabiscuit. Citation was the best horse of his era which is an outstanding achievement. I'm still pretty fond of my Aunt's retired Santa Anita winner: Tiger by the tail!
shareIt would be hard to compare Pharlap and Seabiscuit, but they'd have to be the top 2. Don't know much about any other American horses, but I'd say Makybe Diva isn't far behind these 2.
As you for you kiwis, Pharlap was raised, trained and became a champion in Australia. His greatness had nothing to do with New Zealand apart from perhaps his bloodlines, but even that is only a small part of it all. You kiwis will try and claim anything we Aussies do, some of you even think the song "Down Under" is a kiwi song! You guys really have to get over the whole Chappell underarm bowl thing. And as for Russell Crowe, he's definately yours. The guy is a major tool and I'm sure I speak for most Aussies when I say that you guys can have him back.
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i agree with you davywap
but i think that its unfair to compare 2 great champions but in saying that i still think pharlap would win well, i mean he would race with huge weights, ilnesses and injuries, against the best horses and in one week won 4 of the biggest races in australia. and as for makybe diva shes the best horse in modern years (in australia) and i think would go close to beating both of these horses in the right race.
Makybe Diva ran the melbourne cup an average of 8 seconds faster than Phar Lap. So was he really that good?
shareGood enough to be poisoned to stop him winning ;).
We pronounce her name Mak-eye-bee-diva and she would have beaten him these days, but he was the best back then no doubt.
Trying to compare Makybe diva to Phar lap and saying that makbe divas time is on average 8 seconds better that phar laps is really like comparing jessie owens who ran 10.3 seonds for the 100 metres against Carl lewis's time of 9.86seconds, which would be on average 6 meters faster than owens. there can be little comparison given the advancment of sports medicines and technology since the 1930s to current . If both jessie owens and phalap or for that matter even seabiscuit had available to them these advancments then, a true camparison could be made.
shareI must agree with you there.
If you went back in time, snatched up pharlap and Seabiscuit as foals, and raised them today, they would possibly be far better horses than what they were. Biscuits bad leg would have gotten much more advanced help, as would Pharlaps foot, they could never have put as much weight on pharlap now as they did then, and nowadays theres hardly such thing as a muddy track thanks to terratrack, orwhatever it's called. So they both would have done MUCH better and would have won ALOT more races.
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I could not agree with u guys more, i was just throwing out some ideas for u all to ponder.
sharethen I guess you can go back a bit furter to the very first melbourne cup when a horse by the name of Archer won. what made this special was that he walked 800kl to get to the race and back again. he won it again the next year but missed out running on the third year because his entry forms arrived late. can you imagine what it would have been like way back them . the race was run over a slightly longer distance and he had a time of around 3 minutes 50 seconds. I think we all get caught up in the present and at times compare todays animal/human athletes to those of the past but one has to sit back a consider who really is the championand the better? , given all things are equal. I guess that is a question that we leave the answer to in our hearts. It seems to me that the true champions of the past came from humble beginings and rose to fame through pure grit and detirmination and raw ability. Where as todays champions come frome good blood lines , pampared and have their abilty nutured and supported by the advancements of technology and medicine.
These two horses both captured the hearts of a nation of both racing and non racing folks and they did it at a time when the people them selves were battling to survive I guess their stories became an inspiration to many people of the time and there for also became legends whos mamory would live on. I have to admit that does not seem to be the case these days.
HEY! I'm related to him... Russell Crowe I mean.
I don't think anyone should compare Makybe Diva, Phar Lap or Seabiscuit. In their times, they're some of the greatest racehorses ever, and of course, Phar Lap by today's standards would probably be left in the dust by some of the racer's today. But like I said, in THEIR times. Back in the late 20's and through the 30's, Phar Lap was the greatest, and these days, an entirely new generation believe Makybe Diva is, but they're all special in their own unique ways (That sounds so incredibly corny).
I must ask, and not to be rude, but I honestly dont know, as I am a yank, but about Makybe Diva..
who did she beat?
'Happiness. It made the whole dying thing pretty bearable.'
Have you guys seen this recent story on the death of Phar Lap:
http://www.allhorseracing.com/thoroughbred-horseracing-news.php?id=1030