why jack black apologize in canne? - Envy (2004) Discussion

[–] hydro_hog 20 years ago

dude, d'you know what your on about, your writing was nothing to do with your subject

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I prefer to ignor my ignorence

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[–] notjustagameanymore 20 years ago

o

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[–] crossofhatered 19 years ago

I hate everyone who has participated in this thread. What an insane waste of time.

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[–] Unknownian 13 years ago

This thread is funnier than the movie; and it is a pretty funny flick.
This may be the funniest IMDB thread I ever read....

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[–] jejozi 12 years ago

You hate yourself? I can see why.

This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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[–] SedoMassacre 20 years ago

Where are you from? Please tell me that english is a second language.

"You all right man?" Peter
"Perfect Baby, Perfect." Roger

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

1.

Don't worry hst1981 on the one hand your message makes sense, on the other ignorance is in the eyes of the beholders, two vigilante wannabes who are not capable of proper spelling. Not to mention that Mr. Smartass' #1 tenses are all wrong.

If you decide you want to waste your time with them I foresee their next questions:

1. Are you in the US, in case yes have you entered illegally.
2. Can you show us some ID?
3. Are you a commie?

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

1. dude, d'you know what your on about, your writing was nothing to do with your subject
2. Where are you from? Please tell me that english (sic) is a second language.

Don't worry hst1981, on the one hand your message makes sense, on the other ignorance is in the eyes of the beholders, two grammar vigilante wannabes who are not even capable of proper spelling. Not to mention that Mr. Smartass' #1 tenses are all wrong.

If you decide you want to waste your time with them I foresee their next questions:

1. Are you in the US, in case yes, have you entered illegally?
2. Can you show us some ID?
3. Are you a commie?

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[–] corrosive85 20 years ago

film-29, he didn't spell english wrong..

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

O yes he did, you do write English with a capital "E", don't you?

Methinks there are enough masters of none on this thread, anyhow, as you like it but watch your steps I don't think they are fond of competitors.

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[–] OwtYtrof 20 years ago

Actually, it was a capitalization error, rather than spelling, if you want to nitpick.

Good day.

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

How do you spell English?

e-n-g-l-i-s-h or E-n-g-l-i-s-h?

I'm not much of a nitpicker myself, nonetheless, if you are looking forward to seeing one you shall not be disappointed, there are a couple of them who use to hang around this thread.

A piece of advice: you must learn to pick your fights.

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

What kind of person debates one?

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[–] boredposter 20 years ago

Yeah again what is this thread about?

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[–] OwtYtrof 20 years ago

You do realize that "e" and "E" are the same letter, right?

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"You gotta love everybody, make'm feel good about themselves" - PUSA

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

"E" or "e" notwithstanding, I was trying to point out that if someone thinks he or she has the right to pick on somebody whose English is not exactly spot-on their, of needs, should be perfect, which is not the case of hydro hog's and SedoMassacre's. And even if their English were perfect they shouldn't be picking on people whose mother language is other than English, as the matter of fact there is a name for that kind of behaviour: poor taste, very poor indeed.

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[–] OwtYtrof 20 years ago

And I was simply pointing our your hypocrisy in classifying the mistake incorrectly. Perhaps you shouldn't criticise the criticism of others if your criticism does not stand up to the standards against which you hold criticism made by others?

:P

Good day.

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

Which part of "mauger your will they're not the same letters" you have misunderstood?
I insist, "english" instead of "English" is a misspelling.
Please, you look like a fine guy, do not play the sedulous ape to those smart asses.

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[–] OwtYtrof 20 years ago

So, what you are telling me is that there is no such thing as a capitalization error, merely spelling errors?

Frankly, that strikes me as quite daft. By that logic, if I were too lazy to properly capitalize my sentences, I would be a horrible speller! This also poses the question "Why does 'catipalize' exist as a word, anyway, if it's really a spelling error?"

I'd love to hear your explanation.

Good day.

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[–] JSMackenzie 20 years ago

I've come here to find out why Jack Black apologised in Cannes and all I've found is that some people feel strongly about other people not using capital (or should that be CAPITAL, lol) letters...

Why, and for what, did Jack Black apologise in Cannes?

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[–] doublezero 20 years ago

for envy being such a catastrophically bad movie. check the trivia section.

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[–] profoundtomato 20 years ago

For what it's worth, I think you're both right. "english" instead of "English" is a spelling error (as a proper noun, it should always be capitalized, the word is spelt with a capital E, not a lower-case one) and also a capitalization error. *Disclaimer*: I'm not an English teacher.

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[–] magnastictastic 20 years ago

Good god. Let this end.

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[–] pinnette 20 years ago

"the word is spelt with a capital E"
I did not know that "spelt" was actually a word. I used google to find that is actually another way to make the word "spell" past tense. Although this message board has gotten completely ridiculous, I learned something new. This is all because some other guy doesn't know English very well. If nothing else, this message board should help educate that guy on the proper use of English.

Capitalization and spelling errors were always marked differently at my elementary school. The point deductions were the same.

The only reason that I posted a message here is that I'm trying to finish watching this movie without falling asleep. The annoying background muisc is helping to keep me awake.

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[–] chilli23m 20 years ago

Sorry just had to jump in here.

Not using a capital is a spelling error, capitalization refers to the grammatical usage of capital's and where they should be used, however it is a subset of spelling and therefore he was perfectly correct in accusing you of a spelling error.

I think a lot of people are hiding behind the nitpicking to avoid the main thrust of the argument which was, stop picking on people, and try and encourage them.

For instance I am personally from the UK i.e the place where your language was born and created and there are a range of feelings from rage through resentment to just pity for the way that Americans use English. Myself I think that all language evolves, English came from an amagamation of many influences and different languages being merged together, including most obviously Anglo Saxon and Latin. I see the Americanization of English as the next evolution of the language, and like all changes you can choose to focus on the negative or the positive. I focus on the positive.

Who knows, the original poster may be from another country, but he will hopefully have a positive influence on your country and on the English language, a good example being Nabakov who was oringinally Russian but stated that learning English gave him the inspiratoin to write. I was always under the impression that America constitutionally supported diverse cultures with such things as the Green Card drive for just such a reason.

Thanks

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[–] ColdZro 20 years ago

This is fun.

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"PS. This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q & R were eliminated." - Mitch Hedberg

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[–] jerk-face 20 years ago

What an awesome thread. You all need girlfriends real bad. Quick, now!

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[–] ahope77777 20 years ago

I find it remarkable that Americans can be so confident in their English language abilities. They do not even spell properly. Color in lieu of Colour.

Back to the Principle actors I feel that Ben Stiller should stick to movies such as Meet the Parents, and, Jack Black should stay in the style of Shallow Hal.
The roles played by both actors showed then as actors and not comedians trying to get cheap laughs.

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[–] blind Io 20 years ago

Eventhough English is spelled with a capital E (as I did) the more fun thing is that what was asked is this.

The question is not about wether or not the original posters English is his second language, but if English on the whole is a second language.
For me it is and to, apparently, many residents of the US it is too. But I'm excused for bad gramma in English since I've am mostly self educated in it.

This could be my chance to bond and become a valued member of the family

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[–] jerk-face 20 years ago

You people need jobs and girlfriends to occupy your time in a more worthwhile manner.

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[–] aka_mac 20 years ago

This coming from the guy who goes on every board i've seen and trashes people for being there. Why the hell are you there you low life?

Sittin down here by the campfire light, waitin for the Ghost of Tom Joad

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[–] Amoebabadass 10 years ago

Rage!!! Rage!!! Rage!!!

Yeah!!!

I'm sure that when the original developers of ARPANET were sitting around working out the design for their new network this is exactly what they envisioned the long term result of the project would be. This is interpersonal comunication at its finest.

Yeah for us, yeah for humanity.

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I'm doing God's work... because the bastard's too lazy to do it himself.

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[–] thegame189 19 years ago

It's like Earth. Sometimes it is Earth and sometimes it's earth. Live with it. Everyone is talking about grammar problems, but the dumbass part is that people are arguing about grammar on an internet board. Nobody wins in internet arguments, and you have to realize the fact that grammar is nonexistent on the internet.

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[–] M Brucia 20 years ago

That's a false dichotomy. "english" and "English" are the exact same spelling. It's an orthographical difference. Put another way, the letter "e" and the letter "E" are not different letters. They are the same letter, written in different ways (If this weren't pure text, I could also point out the cursive "e" and cursive "E"). Orthography dictates that "English" is written with a capital E. It's not spelled differently than "english", it's written differently than "english".

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

Are you trying to tell me that ortography and spelling are not related?
I do repeat E and e are not the same letter.
For example are God and god the same word?

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[–] jerniganrx7 20 years ago

You people need to get a Life.
E or e - give me a break - I thought this
was a message board about movies, not grammar.
If you are more interested in spelling perhaps
you can locate a site that is designed for spell
check diehards, I am sure there is some type of
setup out there where you can get critisized
on writing - where you can get feedback and
receive others input on your own style.

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

Maybe we need to get a life maybe not, life is in the eye of the beholder. In the meanwhile by criticizing our still-born lifeless existences you're arguably and hopelessly wasting yours. Provided you have one.
Read again this is not about grammar it is about throwing first stones. This thread was never about a movie but about two bully boys trying to pose as somebody smarter than they actually are.

A piece of advice I've already delivered to someone who was blundering in the same way you're: Learn to pick your fights.

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

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for out of the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.

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[–] paul_tarenty 20 years ago

Hello, I am writing a scene in a script based on this thread. I love that quote. Who said it? It would be a really great opener.
-thank you

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[–] film-29 20 years ago

Follow this link and you'll find the milk of human brightness:

http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/sitesearch?FILTER=&query=george+bernard+shaw

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[–] hlc_weed 20 years ago

HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! omfg... hey u film29 or wutever ur gay name is! ur fu*king pathetic! get a life man! ive read all the posts under dis subject and guess whose replies r THE most gay... yes, its u!!! U, u dumb idiot!

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[–] bullmasters 19 years ago

I am laughing my ass off with all the *beep* you all write.
Oh man! this is really funny.

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[–] bowrll 20 years ago

USED TO, not use to. though, i agree with you, do a grammar check or somethin' man... muah ha ^_^

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[–] jejozi 12 years ago

It's "watch your step", not "steps". You best clean up your backyard first.

This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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[–] sirmildredpierce 20 years ago

as much as i am enjoying this wonderful thread about the difference between e and E and why anyone would care. i thought maybe you'd be interested in what jack black said at cannes. i did a google search and it ironically pointed me back to the imdb.com page on "envy". in the trivia section is says:

At the 2004 Cannes Film Festival, during a press conference for Shark Tale (2004), both Jack Black and Dreamworks' Jeffrey Katzenberg publicly apologized for "Envy".

this page has a short quote:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1131155/reviews_viewer.php?object=movie&id=1131155&critic=movies&sortby=default&page=5&rid=1282530&no_textad=1

"...at the Cannes Film Festival last week, Katzenberg declared, 'I apologize profusely for "Envy."'"

etc... etc...

of course it doesn't answer the question "why?"

but i think a viewing of the movie will.

-- smp

p.s. - i'm not very good at capitalisation, can you please point out all my "spelling" errors?

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[–] chilli23m 20 years ago

Having read this through a second time, I would suggest that he has used an internet translator,e.g altavista's babel fish. He has obviously done this in order to communicate and share his views, a commendable and very human endevour else why are we all on this chat board.

What is sad is that some were all to quick to denigrate him, the question that has to be asked is do any of you who jumped to destroy his grammatical stylings actually have a second langauage?

Probably not

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[–] jamjar62 20 years ago

film 29....I find your postings very clever and not at all "gay". Sarcasm as humor is rarely understood by those with English as their ONLY language and, I dare say, a poorly used ONLY language at that.

To get back to the original question by hst1981, my opinion is that Jack Black apologized at Cannes because the movie was panned by critics and didn't do well at the box office. He apparently didn't believe in the film enough to just let it be what it is which is a funny movie with some dumb parts. It isn't Shakespeare but it isn't Ishtar either.

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[–] Hilary_Adamson 20 years ago

Nor did it have Ashley Judd in it. Though I wouldn't mind a sequel with her in it, provided she gets sprayed with Vapoorize and disappears in the sequel!

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[–] poyticed 20 years ago

Hey,isn't canne written Cannes?

If you want to change the subject...

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