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The Last Samurai - White Man's Wet Dream


TLS has some really great fighting/action scenes and some beautiful filmatography.

What I hate about it is how the movie is that it embodies everything in white people's wishful thinking. They want to "go away" from their homeland, and be unique and successful in another. White people are absolutely fascinated with Japanese culture.

This whole movie plays out like a white teenager's fantasy.. how he is a loser and hated back home, and moves to the new fantasy world where people love him, he gets to learn to kick the crap out of people, and bang gorgeous (but not too asian looking) women.

if the whole movie concept wasn't based on this white-teenager-wet-dream concept, i would say to put a japanese man in Tom Cruise's role, and the movie would have been epic.

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Poposhka, you really are a dumbass. While this film is fiction, it is set during a time when lots of Western countries (including America) were doing business in Japan, setting up consulates, etc. It's not at all inconceivable that a character like Algren would be in Japan.

The writers and director of this film did quite a lot of research and used many Japanese historians and experts to make it probably the most accurate portrayal of pre-Meiji Japan that's ever been filmed by a non-Japanese film company.

This is historical fiction.

You want a white-teenager-wetdream-fantasy, go watch Kill Bill.

Lastly - to this day, lots of white guys DO leave their home countries, come to Japan, and bang Japanese women. In Tokyo, fully 10% of marriages are "international" bi-racial marriages. Tokyo's population is roughly 33 million. That means about 3,300,000 white dudes are getting laid in Tokyo alone.

Welcome to the present.

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I think you went into this film wanting to think this and ignored all evidence. I myself was particularly enjoying watching how Cruise WASNT portrayed as the super all american hero and as such paid particular attention.

- When riding into Tokyo, Cruise was not at the head of the procession, neither was he just behind. He was at the back of the pyramid formation on the furthest left, way out of sight.

- Cruise was rude and ignorant of japanese culture upon his arrival. Due to this, he was treated with disdain and as a low member of society. People were ready to kill him at any instant, and despite their growing respect of him over time, there was a definite sense of not letting him in. He always looked and was made to fele out of place. Not carried into the air, but rather set aside.

-Cruise got massacred when he first tried to have a fight with Ojio (Correct name?) When he finally didnt lose, note that he did not actually win b ut only drew. An all american hero would have dispatched his enemy properly, probably with a badass quote.

- A million and one poeple have already pointed out how flawed your thinking is on 'loser back home, winner here'

-At what point was there ANY banging you idiot? Im sorry, but thats just idiotic. I was sat there worrying we were gonna have another tiresome pr ebattle sex scene but thank god, no such thing :) There was a kiss. A small one. which he started and she left.

- 'He's still ugly' - god, the japanese just lapped up his americaness didnt they? -.-

How about, Pop, you just *beep* right off IMDB and go back to class. Or maybe, just maybe, being a teenage spastic and all you can jsut have yourself a wet dream, move to japan and go grab yourself a couple of non asian asians. hey, why not do some ass kicking and have a wank mid battle if you like?

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Great argument.

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The whole argument is pointless. Without Algren being American and being the character he is, we are talking about a completely different film. The main focus of the film wasn't the fight between the Samurai and the Japanese Government, it was Algren's disillusionment after his American war service and his awakening upon discovering a way of life and a code of honor that he can believe in and commit to again. If you didn't like it because of this, fine. With a japanese lead though, the film would have a completely different focus and connotation.

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Interesting perspective but disagree. To call it a 'white mans' wet dream just because he respects and admires principles in other cultures is demeaning. I respect native american culture but doesnt make it a negative as you portray.

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Yes you are right. The whole movie is a white man's wet dream.

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White people? I would argue that this is a White Americans fantasy.

The Englishman represented in the film is at least a good guy (for once) but he is fat and not a warrior. I do understand where you are coming from though, there is a deep seated masculinity thing going on. Maybe someone should do an essay on it.

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"White people are absolutely fascinated with Japanese culture."

This is quite true, the western world could really do with more used school girls panty dispensers on the streets.

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Cruise should have died at some point...

Otherwise you might as well call it a western white man's wet dream.

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Bingo. Come to Asia for 5 minutes and see how infatuated they are with western culture. The west has a passing interest in Asia. Asia has an enduring need to adopt, copy, and integrate everything they can from western culture except respect for human rights, and important things like that. But they've got blue jeans, and rolex watches! Yippee.

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