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The Last Samurai - White Man's Wet Dream


TLS has some really great fighting/action scenes and some beautiful filmatography.

What I hate about it is how the movie is that it embodies everything in white people's wishful thinking. They want to "go away" from their homeland, and be unique and successful in another. White people are absolutely fascinated with Japanese culture.

This whole movie plays out like a white teenager's fantasy.. how he is a loser and hated back home, and moves to the new fantasy world where people love him, he gets to learn to kick the crap out of people, and bang gorgeous (but not too asian looking) women.

if the whole movie concept wasn't based on this white-teenager-wet-dream concept, i would say to put a japanese man in Tom Cruise's role, and the movie would have been epic.

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You do make sense but I will never agree with you!

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^Poposhka

People having different opinions about things is natural, and thats fine but when people completely miss the point or are just plain incorrect it becomes bothersome.

"What I hate about it is how the movie is that it embodies everything in white people's wishful thinking. They want to "go away" from their homeland, and be unique and successful in another. White people are absolutely fascinated with Japanese culture."

For starters, I am really digging this generalization that this concept is somehow white people's greatest aspiration: One; black people(for example) have made samurai movies and/or references to them in mainstream media in the form of Ghost Dog Way of the Samurai, Black Samurai, afro Samurai, etc so whites are not alone here. Two; I am white, and I happen to like my homeland and various aspects of my culture very much thank you. I would really like to know for the record though, is it bad a thing that one culture has respect for parts of another's? I mean, come on, are you really gonna give that words....

"This whole movie plays out like a white teenager's fantasy...how he is a loser and hated back home,"
The obvious racism aside, lets disprove this one by getting back to the movie and how the story actually went. At the start of the movie he was a HERO! He thought of himself as a loser(his boss too to be fair) but he actually was a war hero at least according to America: He is, and go queue up the movie to 2 minutes in and check if you think I'm lying, referred to as a "True American Hero," and "one of the most decorated warriors this country has ever known."

" and moves to the new fantasy world where people love him."
After the first battle, he isn't loved but actually quite loathed. The guy with the horned amour wants to kill him(and beats the crap out of him with a wooden sword), his supposed body guard steps in to kill him when he raised his voice to Katsumoto, Taka whats him dead or at least wants permission to kill herself to end the shame, etc. It is only over time he wins their collective respect.

", he gets to learn to kick the crap out of people, and bang gorgeous (but not too asian looking) women."

So what.He learns to further his skills in battle on top of what he already knows, and at least in the movie he doesn't get to bang Taka. How you think she doesn't look Asian is beyond me but whatever...

"if the whole movie concept wasn't based on this white-teenager-wet-dream concept, i would say to put a japanese man in Tom Cruise's role, and the movie would have been epic."

Yay more racism...Pathetic
The whole point of the movie is a man finding peace in another way of life than his own. This is a bow to certain aspects of older Japanese culture, more specifically of honor and how it played a factor is bringing the best out of someone.


"TLS has some really great fighting/action scenes and some beautiful filmatography."

Why don't you just focus on this stuff next time and give the racism and completely missing the point of movie a rest.


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", he gets to learn to kick the crap out of people, and bang gorgeous (but not too asian looking) women."

How is Koyuki (Taka) not too Asian-looking? She looks more Japanese to me than most of the famous pop stars living in Tokyo now. I live in Tokyo and her picture is posted on a lot of advertisements, and my Japanese friends agree with me that she looks much more like the traditional Japanese woman than pretty much anyone else. Moreover her mannerisms, the shot of her bathing with her bare shoulders, etc. all cohere to traditional Japanese ideals of female beauty and social conduct.

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I disagree with a lot of your points, OP. He is not "hated back home." He is a war hero who people paid to see and to hear speak. He hates HIMSELF, for things he's done in battle.

Also, he didn't really "learn to kick the crap out of people." He was quite capable of doing that already. It was more about his wanting to fight for a cause he believed in, and also a cause in which--in his mind--would redeem him for helping to wipe out the American Indian.

Also, he does not "bang gorgeous" Asian women. He doesn't bang anybody for that matter.

I think you've built up something in your mind about this movie that is not there.

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I generally agree with you. Having the Last Samurai be a white man is more than a bit of a white boy fantasy. However, given that bias, the film was excellently made, and it may be the combination of that fantasy and the quality of its production that makes it so popular.

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i empathize with the "yellow-fever" argument, but overall a well-made film that was not as exploitive as i was anticipating.

but lets not make this argument a single-edged sword; could it not be debated that a lot of native japanese inhabitants, particularly youth, possess a certain fascination with western culture?

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"Having the Last Samurai be a white man"

But, Katsumoto was the Last Samurai...

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The Emperor is the last Samurai...

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"White people are absolutely fascinated with Japanese culture."

So? The whole world is obsessed with American media (Star Wars, Britney Spears, etc.). I think we have the right to be interested in another country. Ftw, I am interested in Slavic and Celtic culture a bit more than I am with Asian. Though I do love those buffets.

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What's wrong with one culture of people being interested in a anothers? What's wrong with one race embracing another that has a willingness to learn and understand their culture? Isn't that what life ultimately should be about? respect, and acceptence.

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Hall of Fame.


Paposhka is a racist idiot who completely missed the point of the whole movie.

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What's wrong with one race embracing another that has a willingness to learn and understand their culture?

-Absolutely nothing. But this movie was not about 'embracing' it was about egos particularly that of Cruise.

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Yeah... I hear ya..

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Poposhka,

You hit the nail on the head. This movie is beautiful and could have been the movie that honorably gave outsiders a modern day glimpse at samurai culture and paid respect to a misunderstood group of people.

In the same fashion that Dances With Wolves did for many Native Americans. I could deal with that movie, because Costner was not the greatest warrior, nor was he the wisest. He didn't even have an Indian wife. He was just a humble guy caught in a bad situation.

Tom Cruise in The Last Samurai is complete nonsense. This is a good movie, but Tom Cruise (nor any other White man) did not need to be in it to validate it.

Let's just realistic... this guy spends one winter with Samurai and he is engaging in battles with them? Killing men who have dedicated their entire lives to the sword?

There is a great deal of White man *beep* in this movie. If you can get past all of that krap, and you don't laugh yourself to death, then you will enjoy Ken Watanabe's performance, which saves this movie.

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Tom Cruise in The Last Samurai is complete nonsense. This is a good movie, but Tom Cruise (nor any other White man) did not need to be in it to validate it.

Let's just realistic... this guy spends one winter with Samurai and he is engaging in battles with them? Killing men who have dedicated their entire lives to the sword?


Fair point, but one thing I think almost everybody tends to overlook is that the story is told as a kind of legend, not something based on facts. At the end of the movie itself, we hear something along the likes of, "[...] legend has it that [...]", and we also see Katsumoto seeing a vision of a white tiger in the beginning which, in my mind, at least, shows that this tale is meant to be viewed as a sort of fantasy. That made things a lot more plausible for me.

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Well, also Algren wasn't just some country bumpkin -- he was a soldier in his own right.

Anton Chigurh

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The legend thing is a cop out...

A good excuse for it being totally in Cruise control...

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The Last Samurai - White Man's Wet Dream
by Poposhka (Tue Oct 7 2008 21:34:48) Ignore this User | Report Abuse


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TLS has some really great fighting/action scenes and some beautiful filmatography.

What I hate about it is how the movie is that it embodies everything in white people's wishful thinking. They want to "go away" from their homeland, and be unique and successful in another. White people are absolutely fascinated with Japanese culture.

This whole movie plays out like a white teenager's fantasy.. how he is a loser and hated back home, and moves to the new fantasy world where people love him, he gets to learn to kick the crap out of people, and bang gorgeous (but not too asian looking) women.

if the whole movie concept wasn't based on this white-teenager-wet-dream concept, i would say to put a japanese man in Tom Cruise's role, and the movie would have been epic.

I agree, and wrote pretty much the same thing a couple years back on this BBS.

Still, I don't take the film too seriously. I still enjoy it for what it is, a nice popcorn flick

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