Ruined finale


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C'mon - Tom Cruise's character is beaten, stabbed and then shot by a gatling gun - and he survives?

The Gatling was an especially awful weapon that fired very large rounds - and we see everybody around Tom riddled in the final battle. But yet Cruise bounces back to deliver the sword to the Emperor. Would have actually been a gustier finale if he had died - yes, the world is hard and honour is noble but it rarely defeats money and "progress".

A solid adventure film but the lack 4 minutes kill the movie.

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I felt that was a powerful finale. If his character just died it would mean Omaru have a true win and the movie would have been pointless.

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We dont know that he lived, its said by Timothy Spall's character that many belive he died from the wounds but HE belives he found a place to live peacefully. The shot we see of Him back with the women may not be real.

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Exactly. Th death's of the 500 men would have been completely in vain.

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Katsumoto is hit dozens of times, and keep moving.

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Funny about your last point i.e. '...honour is noble but it rarely defeats money, etc.".
Cruise's character attempts to impress that same point upon Katsumoto during a deleted scene, stating that the Confederacy was all about 'honour' yet it couldn't save them from the brute force of the weapondry made by Northern industry.

Regardless, I believe Cruise's character gets hits once or twice by a Gattling round, rather that shot in half, lol, by the firepower. Not that your point isn't valid, but folks have survived similar grievous wounds in battle, at least for a time.
In one Napoleonic battle, a Russian soldier survived after a musket round crashed into his skull at a shallow angle. It didn't penetrate his skull. Rather, it freakishly forced a piece of skull to plunge into his brain a bit before standing it up at 90º! It was said the white skull fragment was sticking out of his head in such a way as to look like a tombstone. They couldn't pull it out so the fragment was left that way, brain exposed & all. Though he eventually died a few days later, for a time he actually seemed to improve in spite of his 'situation'.

As the narrator says at the film's end "Some said he died of his wounds."
Perhaps he did, after seeming to survive without ill effect.

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Sorry but the Confederacy wasn't about honor. It was about slavery. That is clearly stated in the declarations of independence of every slave state. They went to war over slavery...period.

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Didn't Clyde Barrow's brother survive for a few days, after being shot in the head?

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Nonsense. The ending had to be the way it was. Someone had to survive to take Katsumoto's sword back to the Emperor and convince him to stand up to Omura. Otherwise the deaths of Katsumoto and all the other Samurai would have been pointless.

As for cruise's wounds. His horse is hit, a lot of people around him are hit, he's hit maybe once or twice, but it's actually hard to believe that everyone else died. A gattling gun isn't all that high speed of a weapon. There were 2 of them firing through 1 clip for less than a minute. That's less than 400 rounds and most of those went into the dirt and the horses. Even under conditions of *withering* firepower there are always survivors. That kind of gun isn't all that accurate or easy to aim, it's advantage lies in the volume of rounds it throws out, not the accuracy of any one single round. Think of it as a really big serial shotgun.

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"A gattling gun isn't all that high speed of a weapon."

It's hard to believe your expertise, when you can't even spell the name of the gun you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun

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As for cruise's wounds. His horse is hit, a lot of people around him are hit, he's hit maybe once or twice, but it's actually hard to believe that everyone else died. A gattling gun isn't all that high speed of a weapon. There were 2 of them firing through 1 clip for less than a minute. That's less than 400 rounds and most of those went into the dirt and the horses. Even under conditions of *withering* firepower there are always survivors. That kind of gun isn't all that accurate or easy to aim, it's advantage lies in the volume of rounds it throws out, not the accuracy of any one single round. Think of it as a really big serial shotgun.
I would doubt that everyone else actually died as a result of the guns, but the survivors of the guns could have died afterward by committing harakiri in the wake of their defeat. That's what i've always assumed. There could have been people who survived the guns but stabbed themselves after, like Katsumoto did.

No disrespect intended, sir, but shove it up your ass!

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Except that the chances of him getting an audience with the emperor, particularly on the spur of the moment, in the middle of a planned event, would be nil. So, it really did become a broken story at the end.

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If he'd died, they'd also need a new title for the movie.

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"If he'd died, they'd also need a new title for the movie."


Yes, it would be "The Last Dead Samurai".


Love to see Omura humiliated. For the japanese being dishonoured is much worse than being killed. (at least back then)

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Tom Cruise is not the Last Samurai.

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Then what's the meaning behind the title?

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The word 'samurai' is plural and singular. The director has said (on the DVD) that the title refers to the samurai as a class of people, not a specific one. Think of the title as "The Last (of the) Samurai".

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From the trivia page:

"Contrary to popular conception, the title of the film does not refer to Nathan Algren as the Last Samurai. The word "Samurai" here is in its plural form and is actually referring to Katsumoto's clan as a whole."

No disrespect intended, sir, but shove it up your ass!

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it was an old gatling gun how powerful could it be :p

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The Gatling Gun fired a .30 gauge round at 400 rounds per minute which is comparable to today's light machineguns which fire the same size round, (7.62 mm) but at twice the rate of fire. The mindset back then was to kill with each round whereas today we try to incapacitate; thinking that it will tie-up the person shot and another person trying to perform first-aid. Neither is an option I would want to be on the receiving end of.

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The Tom Cruise character chose to be a Samurai. He should have either died in the battle, or committed suicide afterward, then he would have gone out as a true Samurai. It's interesting that after the battle's over, he could just put on his old Army uniform again, like nothing happened. This was a great movie, but the ending messed it up.

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Well he never really became a full samurai. He became attached to the samurai, he served the samurai cause, but I don't think he was really there long enough to become a full samurai and I doubt he regarded himself as one.

No disrespect intended, sir, but shove it up your ass!

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