I don't get what's so great about the decapitation scene. - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003) Discussion

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[–] grbettencourt 16 years ago

Leo's the golden child, the perfect one, the leader, the most grown up and mature, he's the freaking center of attention...so, that automatically give him the right to do all the cool epic stuff in the battles on this show, while the others just do their own thing.

Personally, I think Leo's the most boring of the brothers in this adaption...

Well I assure you that's far from true...no turtle's perfect or a "golden child", and every turtle's got a good deal of shine this series too.

Every major villain or group of villains actually slain in this series included:
1-2)Utrom/True Shredder
3)Shredder's Five Acolytes
4)Shredder's Five Acolytes' Two Demons
5)Y'lintians
6)Draco
7)Savanti Romero
8)Moriah's Five Monsters
9)Bishop's Aliens
10)Mr. Marlin
11)Shokonabo

When it comes to who actually "killed" which of these villains, it's like this:
1,2,3,5,7,9,11=All Turtles efforts (Karai slain the fifth Acolyte)
4=Leonardo & Raphael (each got one)
6=Raphael, Michaelangelo, & Donatello
8=Donatello & Michaelangelo (though Leonardo and Raphael did lead the two Michaelangelo killed to its death spot, Donatello got two, the one that wasn't killed by any was sacraficed by Moriah)
10=Leatherhead (no turtle's glory)

As you can see, the glory is pretty well dispersed. If they wanted Leonardo to have mountains more glory than the others, they'd have had him kill a lot more on his own. Also, if Leonardo hadn't used the Sword of Tengu, that decapitation never would've happened, and even then, it wasn't Utrom Shredder's final defeat, and there's no reason to believe any of the other turtles couldn't have done the same had they used the Sword of Tengu. Those that believe Leonardo is mountains higher than the others in 2k3 take it for granted because they don't pay enough atention to detail.

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[–] metlaneth 16 years ago

As a TMNT fan since my childhood (80's series time) I absolutely loved this series when I first watched the first season. It was way better and cooler than the old series. The final battle between Leo vs. Shredder was great.

But then came the second season.

I hate that they made The Shredder an Ultron. He was such a badass villain through the first season, but they completely ruined the character for me at the second season when they declared him as an alien. He must be ninja master Oroku Saki, a human, not a freaking robot body.

And also it was a really bad idea to tie every origin stories to the alien storyline at the first half of the second season. Master Yoshi being a guardian for Ultrons, TCRI an alien company etc.

I don't know if these stories have taken directly from the comics. But these are the main reasons why I lost my interest. Such a dissapointment.

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[–] ExplorerDS6789 15 years ago

"Eh. It's still considered a rather badass move for a kids show though, and it was a big deal at the time the episode aired for the fanbase."

When I first saw that, I was shocked. Like, "wow! This show has balls." But then he gets up, picks up his head and walks away. What a dirty trick to play on the kids who wanted to see the Shred bite the big one.

"Personally, I think Leo's the most boring of the brothers in this adaption..."

Leo is the serious one. The battle commander, he has to keep order among his brothers should things go down. Mikey's the goofy one, Donny's the computer geek, Raph is the smartass. They need a straight man in all that, and Leo is straight as an arrow.

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[–] maximal_rattrap 16 years ago

You have to remember at the time they didn't know the truth behind the Shredder at least not until the Second Season when they found out the truth about him.

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[–] Forgotten_Hero 16 years ago

Leo's the golden child, the perfect one, the leader, the most grown up and mature, he's the freaking center of attention...so, that automatically give him the right to do all the cool epic stuff in the battles on this show, while the others just do their own thing.

Personally, I think Leo's the most boring of the brothers in this adaption...

In the newer series, it's like Leonardo is Bruce Lee and the rest of the Turtles are the foil to make him look better by comparison. That's one thing I liked about the old series; every Turtle got their time to shine. However, this lead to Leonardo being the least popular Turtle as he had to least amount of personality. Don was the smart one, Mike was the funny one, and Raph was the cool one. Leo was the "unofficial leader," and that didn't amount to much when everyone else had the same level of skill and more personality.

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[–] grbettencourt 16 years ago

Leo's the golden child, the perfect one, the leader, the most grown up and mature, he's the freaking center of attention...so, that automatically give him the right to do all the cool epic stuff in the battles on this show, while the others just do their own thing.

Personally, I think Leo's the most boring of the brothers in this adaption...

In the newer series, it's like Leonardo is Bruce Lee and the rest of the Turtles are the foil to make him look better by comparison. That's one thing I liked about the old series; every Turtle got their time to shine. However, this lead to Leonardo being the least popular Turtle as he had to least amount of personality. Don was the smart one, Mike was the funny one, and Raph was the cool one. Leo was the "unofficial leader," and that didn't amount to much when everyone else had the same level of skill and more personality.

Well I assure you that's far from true...no turtle's perfect or a "golden child", and every turtle's got a good deal of shine this series too.

Every major villain or group of villains actually slain in this series included:
1-2)Utrom/True Shredder
3)Shredder's Five Acolytes
4)Shredder's Five Acolytes' Two Demons
5)Y'lintians
6)Draco
7)Savanti Romero
8)Moriah's Five Monsters
9)Bishop's Aliens
10)Mr. Marlin
11)Shokonabo

When it comes to who actually "killed" which of these villains, it's like this:
1,2,3,5,7,9,11=All Turtles efforts (Karai slain the fifth Acolyte)
4=Leonardo & Raphael (each got one)
6=Raphael, Michaelangelo, & Donatello
8=Donatello & Michaelangelo (though Leonardo and Raphael did lead the two Michaelangelo killed to its death spot, Donatello got two, the one that wasn't killed by any was sacraficed by Moriah)
10=Leatherhead (no turtle's glory)

As you can see, the glory is pretty well dispersed. If they wanted Leonardo to have mountains more glory than the others, they'd have had him kill a lot more on his own. Also, if Leonardo hadn't used the Sword of Tengu, that decapitation never would've happened, and even then, it wasn't Utrom Shredder's final defeat, and there's no reason to believe any of the other turtles couldn't have done the same had they used the Sword of Tengu. Those that believe Leonardo is mountains higher than the others in 2k3 take it for granted because they don't pay enough atention to detail.

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[–] shonuff31986 15 years ago

The problem with this train of thought is that your equating minions and scrubs with the most powerful antagonists of the series. Leo was indeed the golden child of the series. Unfortunately his character is the weakest of the bunch. Hes usually the character to pull off the final technique that none of the others were able to execute. Sure every group needs the "stable character" but its usually better if they are not focused on as much as the others.

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[–] grbettencourt 15 years ago

Well, in case you didn't notice, most of the "most powerful antagonists" slayings fell under the "All Turtle's efforts" category anyway. Plus some of the listed minions and scrubs still proved worthy challenges.

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[–] andrewtuell1991 16 years ago

the decapitation scene is taken from the original 1984 comic series. Only instead of a robot Leonardo beheads the actual human Shredder (much more graphic).

Incidently the Shredder died twice in the comics, the first time he died was in the very first issue when Don knocks him off a build and a gernade blows up in his face. He resurrected by those worm things that brought back the Utrom Shredder in this series.

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[–] Morbid_Mutant 15 years ago

I actually agree with you man. It was cool to see a dude get his head graphically chopped off in a G rated show, but the price for that sight is too high. Also, the weird thing is; even though Shredder picks up his head afterwards, the kids saw what they saw. What if a kid sees that, gets scared, and changes the channel? The thing they just saw goes from being G to being like, PG-13 at the very least. What kind of sense does that make?

I really really like this show, but Shredder being a robot is one of the worst things about it. Another annoying thing is characters being killed off only to come back later on waaay too much. Especially Shredder. He dies like a bazillion times. It's cool once or twice, but really, after that it just looses effect. Can't he get away injured once in a while? Just enough so that it doesn't get repetitive? It basically makes death seem like it isn't a big deal, which means that any peril the turtles face doesn't have as much validity.

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[–] Timstuff 15 years ago

I thought Shredder being an Utrom was retarded. I think they were trying to merge Shredder's character with Krang from the the original cartoon a bit. However, the rest of the show is so awesome that I can overlook it.

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