okay, i have liked the actor in other stuff but is pretty annoying how his dad supports him and keeps a roof over his head and he does nothing but bitch him out.
also silly how gets so mad and jealous at that girl he likes when they are not even going out and her boyfriend is in a coma?
what a selfish (and emo) guy
Greg Smith would probably appreciate that you found his character annoying, because that would mean that he did his job. I feel that the character of Ephram was written to be "annoying", especially in the first few seasons. The writers were trying to show that Ephram's psyche was developed from his father's negligence and other bad parenting efforts, like using his money to buy Ephram whatever he wanted when they were in New York. This led to the spoiled "emo" character that was Ephram in the first two or three seasons, but one that slowly changed as the program progressed. IMO
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watchig early season three and he seems to be up to same stuff; when he does he start to mature a bit?
also, i thought scott wolf was pretty likeable in party of five and a rather strong actor in it but in this constant grinning in this gets kinda annoying
I'm taking my talents to South Beach.
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Agreed, Ephraim was such an entitled ingrate and his friends and family humored his *beep* way too much. Good show, though.
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I'm taking my talents to South Beach.
I think S4 is when he REALLY matures and the maturity sticks. I found him to be a (very relatable) brat at times in S1 and also in parts of S2 yelling at Andy over dating his frickin' babysitter. And yet he's still my #2 favourite character. They're all very flawed, which makes them real. I was a brat as a young teen too, and I certainly didn't have the reasons Ephram did.
Still, if you haven't season four yet, hopefully you'll appreciate how much he changes and grows during that season. He becomes a man, in my eyes.
And word on Scott Wolf. *nods*
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thanks for letting me know. I think the most likable character so far is the luke walton looking dude
I'm taking my talents to South Beach.
The "faults" of the characters really start to come out pretty strong when you watch this show in a non stop marathon. I'm three seasons in right now and they all (especially Ephram) just make the same exact two or three mistakes over and over again. This is slightly the fault of the writers. I'm often surprised by how they just totally forget something (or outright change/ignore) something they dealt with just a few episodes prior. But I think for the most part it's a good reflection of human nature in our modern society with its somewhat unique difficulties.
But Ephram is for sure the worst at creating drama out of complete non-situations. My lord, he's throwing a bitch fit again? Did we meet the smiling quota already? Both him and Amy are the most selfish self centered drama queens i've ever seen on a show and they totally deserve each other.
This show must have been frustrating for the actors. How many times can Treat Williams pick up a script and read about how he's once again keeping a secret from his son and tries to manipulate him?
"I said no camels, that's five camels, can't you count?"
Believe me, I've seen people exactly like Ephram and Amy in real life, and I have facebook friends that are drama queens just like them.
shareWarp, you explained that perfectly.
I too watched Everwood in a non-stop marathon, and the faults do come out pretty strong if you are watching it in that stream for the very first time. If it was something you were tuning in on every week or so, I don't think it would be distracting.
I was positively infatuated with Greg's emotional points in this show, because he made them believable for the type of kid that he was portraying, but after a while, I tired of the constant back-to-back-to-back-to-back long winded rants the writers kept drilling into the screen out of him, and began to really side with his Dad, something I hadn't been doing in the beginning. I'd be like, "Gosh, this kid REALLY needs to be shut up."
Then I did realize that "annoying" seemed to be the point; most of Ep's personality traits, including the endearing ones, were in one way or another projected as a "fault" [such as not having a filter when he talks/cracking really corny "mind-loop" jokes that take forever to end]. He's flawed and it's meant, which work as pros and cons to the people around him. The narration would practically point out when such portrayals were meant. Within the context of his "My Tragic Flaw" dialogue, he did state his was, "my inability to change," ---until some of it did happen as he grew older, in my opinion. Nothing big, which was another point.
I really could not get into Amy after three full seasons, though...there's something dull and stereotypic there, and, sometimes the whole "break up no we can't be together yes let's try this no we can't do this" just felt forced by the writers once the Madison thing ended [which I thought WOULD feel forced, but shockingly, turned out...natural? Could've done without that random first kiss, though]. String-dangling always feels forced.
I really do agree with you, though.
I'm almost through the first season and the writing is inconsistent, characters will be fine one episode, have resolved some issue, then out of no where back to being brats the next episode. Doesn't seem like the writers were communicating much about what they were writing from one episode the next.
shareYeah, Ephram could be a dick at times, I haven't watched the show in a while but I remember his roommate was talking to Amy, and he told him to stop talking to her and the roommate backed off.
But the truth is I saw a lot of myself in Ephram, I think that's why I watched this show. I was the same age the character was supposed to be, I reacted similarly to situations. Ephram was a very believable character to me, even though he wasn't always likable.
I used to watch this show when it was on TV back when I was just fresh out of highschool and still much like Ephram so I found myself relating to the character more.
Now at 30 I'm re watching the series (just went through 9 episodes in a row) and as each episode passes I just want to smack Ephram more and more. I find that I'm siding with the father and realizing how irritating and obnoxious Ephram was. His father was actually trying. I had an absent father and I would have killed to have my father suddenly start acting like his father did.
But people are right, if you marathon the show you really see how awful Ephram is. And how inconsistent the character interaction is. One minute Andy and Ephram are connecting, the next Ephram hates him again like he did in the first episode and acts like he's not trying. It just makes him come off like an ungrateful nasty little brat rather than a damaged son.
I also think the writers wrote the show like that so that teenagers could relate to Ephram and empathize with how he must have been feeling, and on the otherside give adults the ability to sympathize with Andy.
But me in present tense just wants to run Ephram over with a truck.
Remember, Ephram was in his puberty, just lost his mom and all of a sudden had to deal with a father that never dealt with his kids. While I didn't agree with him most of the time, I could definitely understand where Ephram was coming from. Andy came across as very sympathetic and that's why the audience probably took him in their hearts from the very first moments of the pilot. And yes Andy as a dad was trying, but in Ephram's case it was like 15 years too late. I think Andy was Lucky he got his chance after all.
Im in the second half of season three and he starts to be more and more annoying by the episode. That scene where he doesnt go to that rehearsal in NY just to punish his father deserves a slap between the eyes. I realize that teens are like that so its believable but thats not an excuse - no one wants to watch it on TV. And then he yells at Amy cause she knew about the pregnancy for about three days longer and didnt tell him? OMG grow up, you act like a spoiled brat, you would be a horrible father anyways, ure not ready! They did you a favor. And get a haircut while ure at it.
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