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Couple of complaints...


I do really like this movie, but I gotta say from time to time Kevin Costner character kinda is kinda annoying. Espically in the part where hes talking to the Dr.'s sister and is like "men are gonna get killed here today, do you understand that". And the fact hes in love with this woman in the span of like 2 or 3 days, then Boss tells him, shes entilted to looking at more than your backside. LOL I usually like Costner in most of his films, espically Silverado and A Perfect World.

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I didn't think it was too big of a stretch to believe that Charley fell for Sue in a short time, there are people even in modern society who believe in love at first sight. It's actually harder for me to believe that she's stayed single until that age. I think he actually fell for her right away, but his issues with his past prevent him from bringing Sue into his world (not to mention he doesn't know if he'll be around after the coming gunfight). I thought Charley generally hated himself, and the last thing he wanted was to let someone in on his perceived wickedness.

When he gives Sue the "men are going to die today, and I'm going to kill them" line, he's just stating to Sue in the most blunt fashion that he is a bad man, and Sue needs to know this before she commits herself to him. Or more likely, he's trying to convince her to not fall for him. (Little does he know that this tactic would more likely draw a woman to him, but that's an entirely different topic.)

Boss, being somewhat more of a romantic (having been in love himself), doesn't agree with Charley's self-deprivation and self-loathing, especially considering that it's obvious Sue will be carrying a torch for him. It's only right (to Boss) that Charley at least let her know that he feels the same way, whether he survives the fight or not. Better to have loved and lost, in Boss' mind. (Charley would say better to let her wonder whether he felt the same rather than grieve for him after he gets killed.)

As a separate point, I think the fast romance is just something you have to accept as part of movies, it'd be too tedious to see a romance develop in a more realistic fashion.

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I thought OR was a good movie but yeah, the love story between Charley and Sue just didn't work in this movie. It wasn't convincing, it felt more like Days Of Our Lives rather than two people falling for each other in the old west, again, it just didn't work.

The other complaints I have about OR was the final gun fight scene, while I do think this is the best scene in the movie it just had too many cliches like taking hostages and starting the fight at extreme close range.

The only other problem I had with the film was the names of the characters. Charlie and Sue sound like your average Joe and plain Jane. They needed flashier names. And the name 'Button' was just annoying and then we find out later in the film that Boss' real name is bluebonet or whatever. Terrible names for the characters.

Other than this, I thought OR was a very good film. I liked it a lot.

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For a show ya'll are complaining about this one sure is on a lot. They don't keep showing a movie OVER and OVER unless it gets good ratings when shown.

As for falling in love fast, what planet are you on?
Besides who else would Charlie fall for? Some dance hall floozy? and as for Sue, she had no offers did she, and she was at least 40.

Frsnkly, a lot of marriages back then were for convenience --- but this seemed like a real crush to me. Charlie more so than her tho, which would be very typical back in old west days!

stop asking such dumb questions! You're giving me a migraine.

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Snowbunnie
The idea that people do not fall in love that quickly seems to me to ignore the facts that were very familiar to people engaged in war: One may have little time or no time. Many marriages were undertaken quickly and ended just as quickly and others have lasted a lifetime.
This was a war Charlie and Boss had come to town to wage. They were determined to do what they could for the boy and make it right for those they had lost.
As Sue says to Charlie: 'there are small things..the way you show respect for Boss and care for the boy'...that might not be much but it's enough 'for a woman who looks'.
Don't discount 'love at first sight'. It happens all the time.
Both my husband and I love this movie and some rainy Sunday mornings we cuddle in bed with coffee and watch Open Range.
Robert Duvall as Boss Spearman is classic old west characterization...just wonderful. Kevin Costner is excellent as Charlie... who, we learn, has more to his past than is at first apparent. Annette Bening as Sue... Michael Jeter as the Livery owner, Michael Gambon... everyone is great in this film.

One of our favorite scenes is the fight scene for this reason: In so many westerns we see townspeople hide behind their doors when trouble starts, but once it starts and they realize they are all in danger from this rancher's iron grip, they begin to take a stand and become fully engaged.
These scenes seem to us to be one of the most authentic in all of western movies.
For it really did take strong and brave people fighting all they had to fight including despots to build the West.
Open Range is an all round excellent Western.

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I think the romance part of this played out perfectly. Sue was pining away in some lonely town, waiting for the right one to come along and low and behold, he came. They took it slow. I loved the way Sue went right to Charlie at the saloon...and women, unless a floozie flopper, was never supposed to be seen in such a woman demeaning establishment. But she cared about him so much, she defied the prissy proper thing and it was to prove her love for him. There is nothing wrong with the love story here. It's a great side line extra. How many John Wayne movies have you seen without a lead woman character who falls in love with him? Mostly all of them. It's part of the western genre...men AND women in the wild west. It's a formula. Nobody should gripe about it.

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I think that the love story is fine. Waite's supposed to be a reformed bad-guy. So, I'd assume that most of the women in his prior life had been hookers. So, his awkwardness around a real woman, one who was respectable, seemed appropriate for his character.

It wasn't the focal point of the movie, nor was it over-done. It was a side-story, which also served as some motivation for his character.

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"I thought OR was a good movie but yeah, the love story between Charley and Sue just didn't work in this movie. It wasn't convincing"

Same here.I felt this movie would have been better without any romantic interest for Costner.

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I thought that it was ok, and showed a change, a growth in his character. Otherwise I'd expect that he'd have gone back to his old outlaw days, at the end.

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This guy's spent the last ten years sleeping next to Robert Duvall. He's not supposed to fall in love with Annette Bening right away? That would seem to be an upgrade, umm, no offense to Bobby D.

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Can't argue that point for sure.

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Generally speaking, when people are young they may not feel the urgency for marriage and settling down. For a character like Charley, who was a soldier in his 20s, then a hired gunslinger, and finally a cowboy driving free-range cattle, it's easy to see how this could happen. At that point he may have given up on any thoughts of finding a wife and settling down. As he confesses, he never expected to be alive this long given his chosen profession. But then by chance he meets Sue, he falls in love, he faces his mortality (the gunfight), and comes to the realization that he and Boss are getting too old to continue driving free-range cattle and fighting off greedy ranchers in a time when the West was changing and becoming more settled itself. As with all good westerns, it is a story about the changing West itself as it is about the characters.

Often people who remain single and active do come to the realization in their later years that they don't want to spend it alone and, on a deeper, more existential level, they don't want to die alone. This is a very human sentiment that any one in their later years (35+) can appreciate.

While it might seem surprising that someone like Sue had never married, she was a deeper, more intelligent person than any of the eligible men we find in that town. It's not that surprising that a woman of her substance would not marry just for convenience but hold out for love. Once you can accept that, their relationship is not at all surprising. Have you never met someone and realized immediately that you want to spend the rest of your life with them? It happens all the time.

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I fell in love with my wife within a few hours of meeting her. Proposed 2 weeks later and married her a couple of years after that. We've been together for over 32 years, now. Maybe my experience is unique but, it CAN happen and isn't that far-fetched.

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Within moments of first seeing and hearing my wife I was besotted. A couple of days later we were a couple, and a few months after that we were married. We've been married more than forty years. Yes, it happens.

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